View Poll Results: Is it wrong to refer to themselves as any of the following?

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  • No, its fine to be refered to as listed

    18 56.25%
  • Yes, its wrong to be refered to as listed

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  • No, I have neve expressed disapproval toward these designations

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  • Yes, I have expressed disapproval toward these designations

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  • No, I'm fine "-American" in these cases

    7 21.88%
  • Yes, its wrong to add "-American" in these cases

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Thread: Another question about race

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Do you there anything unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong for Americans to refer to themselves as any of the following with respect to ethic heritage?

    - Italian
    - Indian
    - Chinese
    - Irish
    - Jewish
    - German
    - Arab

    If you do consider it unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong; have you ever in your life expressed disapproval of the specific references listed?

    To clear up any confusion that ethnicity is being discussed and not nationality of which the person is a patriotic citizen of America; is it unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong for Americans to add "-American" in that reference?
    Generally I consider myself a 98% German, 1% English, 1% mixed bag caucasian white guy protestant type of lower income, semi-native Coloradan skier and climber unfortunately born Cornhusker but a self-adopted Buff who likes to hunt and read... American.

    Oh, and I vote.
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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Do you there anything unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong for Americans to refer to themselves as any of the following with respect to ethic heritage?

    - Italian
    - Indian
    - Chinese
    - Irish
    - Jewish
    - German
    - Arab

    If you do consider it unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong; have you ever in your life expressed disapproval of the specific references listed?

    To clear up any confusion that ethnicity is being discussed and not nationality of which the person is a patriotic citizen of America; is it unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong for Americans to add "-American" in that reference?
    ...but to answer your question, I don't necessarily consider it wrong or divisive - though I think the better way to put it would be to say "I'm an American... of German (or whatever) descent."
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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Chinese-American implies that one is first, and foremost, Chinese but also happens to be of American citizenship.
    Actually, no... it doesn't imply that at all.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    I don't think that is possible it is a religious distinction . A ethnicity cannot be changed after birth as a religion can . If it were true then Christians would be Jewish .
    There is Judaism, the religion.

    And there's the Jewish ethnicity. The Nazis did not care much for religion - they were measuring the curvature of noses. You could have been Christian for generations, but if were Jewish by blood, you were perceived as the enemy.


    Likewise, in the internal passports of Soviet citizens, there was the "Fifth Line": ethnicity. For example, "Russian", "Pole" (like yours truly), "Tatar" or "Jew". Religion had nothing to do with it: everybody was supposed to be atheist anyway.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Jewish is a religious distinction not of country of origin and that is the only problem I have with people putting American at the end . Most people are of multiple nationalities and not of just one . Besides it brings up the question of how long does one need to reside in this country for one to be deemed just a American since everybody ( except the natives ) had to immigrate to this country .
    When I read books, newspapers and personal journals and diaries pre WW ll and going back to the early 1800's, Germans who were Jews were just referred to as German-Jews. But never saw German-Catholic or German-Lutheran ever being being used.

    Until the mid 1970's only first generation Americans used the hyphenated-American when referring to themselves. The next generation were just Americans.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Theodore Roosevelt's Hyphen-American speech:

    There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism... a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

    The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
    For an American citizen to vote as a German-American, an Irish-American, or an English-American, is to be a traitor to American institutions; and those hyphenated Americans who terrorize American politicians by threats of the foreign vote are engaged in treason to the American Republic.

    Hyphenated American - Conservapedia

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
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    First, no citing conservapedia - that's ridiculous.

    Second, Roosevelt lived before airplanes, computers and globalization. Sure, I appreciate his philosophy and such. He was a very smart and learned man, but his geopolitical musings are out-dated.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    First, no citing conservapedia - that's ridiculous.

    Second, Roosevelt lived before airplanes, computers and globalization. Sure, I appreciate his philosophy and such. He was a very smart and learned man, but his geopolitical musings are out-dated.
    It's Roosevelt's speech, not Conservapedia's speech.

    I've been on so many political forums going back in the beginning when C-SPAN use to have a public forum. I've never seen so much attacking the messenger instead of the message than on the DP forum. It's just fricken unbelievable. It's like dealing with a bunch of young college kids who think they been there and done that and know it all.

    And just to be historicaly correct, the speech was given in 1915 and there were airplanes at the time flying over France shooting each other down.
    Don't they teach history any longer in our schools ?

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's Roosevelt's speech, not Conservapedia's speech.
    So? You still cited a joke website.

    I've been on so many political forums going back in the beginning when C-SPAN use to have a public forum. I've never seen so much attacking the messenger instead of the message than on the DP forum. It's just fricken unbelievable. It's like dealing with a bunch of young college kids who think they been there and done that and know it all.
    Source is an important consideration.

    And just to be historicaly correct, the speech was given in 1915 and there were airplanes at the time flying over France shooting each other down.
    Don't they teach history any longer in our schools ?
    You know what I meant.


    Are you gonna address the point? Or are you going to ignore the fact that world is vastly different now.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Everybody in America is something-American. Don't know why it bothers people so much. So they are proud of their heritage. Big freaking deal. If I want to run around wearing a headdress, a green derby and leiderhosen, and say that I am Irish-German-Native American (which I am), it shouldn't be anybody's business. Don't know why everybody's gotta be up in everybody else's business.

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