• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Is the film "Lord Of The Rings" racist?

Is the film "Lord Of The Rings" racist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • No

    Votes: 51 81.0%

  • It's prophetic

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Idk

    Votes: 7 11.1%
  • Total voters
    63
Some hardcore fanboys in this thread. :lol:
 
Jack Hays said:
Tom Bombadil and Goldberry I recall from LOTR but not The Hobbit. But it's been a while.
Click to expand...

You're right. I always get that mixed up because of the Adventures of Tom Bombadil where he mentions the Shire and Hobbits. My favorite character from the books and grossly under represented. The Ring apparently has no effect on him and he was around before Sauron came to Middle Earth.
 
ChrisL said:
What the hell! I thought they were the same thing! :lol:
Click to expand...

No. He wrote the Hobbit in 1937 and then later wrote the LOTR's from 1937-1949. It wasn't published until the '50's though. The whole concept started with the Silmarillion in 1914 though.
 
Jack Hays said:
Gandalf was one of the Istari.
Click to expand...

I meant Aragorn. I always wondered who "sent" the Istari, or Wizards and why are only three of the five ever mentioned?
 
Bodhisattva said:
No. He wrote the Hobbit in 1937 and then later wrote the LOTR's from 1937-1949. It wasn't published until the '50's though. The whole concept started with the Silmarillion in 1914 though.
Click to expand...

I've never even heard of the Silmarillion. Interesting. I didn't realize the books were so old.
 
ChrisL said:
I thought the movie was good. I just don't know everything about it like you all do.
Click to expand...

I just read the LOTR's trilogy again a few weeks ago. I probably know way too much. I even read all the histories in the appendix and the family trees...
 
Bodhisattva said:
That was LOTR. The Hobbit did not have any of them...
Click to expand...

She is mentioned in the Hobbit and according to what I've read she'll appear with the White Council (as she should) which was only mentioned in the Hobbit.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I meant Aragorn. I always wondered who "sent" the Istari, or Wizards and why are only three of the five ever mentioned?
Click to expand...

Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast are the three. I always suspected that Galadriel and Elrond were the other two, under deep cover.
 
Canell said:
So, people, what do you think? :)
What's your feeling about that? :peace
Click to expand...

Yes it is! It's extremely prejudiced against Orcs. The racist 'Western Powers' who desire to annihilate the Orcs and the dark skinned men of Rhun, Harad, and Umbar, use whatever means at their disposal to crush the forces of Sauron the Liberator. These wretched powers hate technology, industry, and progress and seek to perpetuate a barbaric luddite feudalism over the land. #LOTRTruthOut
 
Henrin said:
No, none of that happened in the Hobbit. Tom Bombadil and his wife are only in the Lord of Ring books and I believe a short story or two. As for Galadriel, she is like the prior characters you mentioned only in the Lord of the Ring books. The only Elves mentioned in the Hobbit are all male.
Click to expand...

Bilbo made it to Rivendell and there were more than just male elves.
 
Jack Hays said:
The Valar sent the Istari.
Click to expand...

Those were the "Gods" that came into the world, right, and developed it with music? Was that with Morgoth who started the war?
 
Gathomas88 said:
It's a bit "racial" in terms of allegory (the Dwarves are supposed to be roughly analogous to Medieval Jews, for instance, from what I've heard), but it's not "racist." People are generally defined by what they do, not who they are.
Click to expand...

Is Game of Thrones racist?
 
Jack Hays said:
Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast are the three. I always suspected that Galadriel and Elrond were the other two, under deep cover.
Click to expand...

:lol:

I also didn't like the whole Radagast thing in the Hobbit with the rabbits!! Argh!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Not about all the wanton hate is a state of dismay... and Pippen got lost but didn't run around the room with the ball blazing. Aragorn didn't have a significant conversation... in fact, the king never spoke in the book, let alone have this big glowing kingdom.
Click to expand...

Pippen did indeed have a comic scene in the books with the palantir. And the ball did indeed blaze in the books.
 
ChrisL said:
I've never even heard of the Silmarillion. Interesting. I didn't realize the books were so old.
Click to expand...

The Silmarillion was full of who begat whom and a lot of history of Middle Earth and the vaious species and ages.
 
clownboy said:
No. They were a different species altogether with totally different lifespans (and from different ages).
Click to expand...

that is two that didn't get what I said. I must have worded it badly... the Dunedain were the high men, those with longer lifespans of the Númenóreans.
 
Jack Hays said:
Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast are the three. I always suspected that Galadriel and Elrond were the other two, under deep cover.
Click to expand...

In the fiction of J. R. R. Tolkien, the Wizards of Middle-earth are a group of beings outwardly resembling Men but possessing much greater physical and mental power. They are also called the Istari (Quenya for "Wise Ones") by the Elves. The Sindarin word is Ithryn (sing. Ithron). They were sent by the Valar to assist the peoples of Middle-earth to contest Sauron.

The wizards were Maiar, spirits of the same order as the Valar, but lesser in power. The first three were known in the Mannish tongues as Saruman "man of skill" (Rohirric), Gandalf "elf of the staff" (northern Men), and Radagast "tender of beasts" (possibly Westron). Tolkien never provided non-Elvish names for the other two; one tradition gives their names in Valinor as Alatar and Pallando, and another as Morinehtar and Rómestámo in Middle-earth. Each wizard had robes of a characteristic colour: white for Saruman (the chief and the most powerful of the five), grey for Gandalf, brown for Radagast, and sea-blue for Alatar and Pallando (known consequently as the Blue Wizards). Gandalf and Saruman both play important roles in The Lord of the Rings, while Radagast appears only briefly. Alatar and Pallando do not feature in the story, as they journeyed far into the east after their arrival in Middle-earth.

Source
Click to expand...

Here's the info on the five.
 
ChrisL said:
I've never even heard of the Silmarillion. Interesting. I didn't realize the books were so old.
Click to expand...

The amount of time and energy he put into creating that world is astonishing. He made up an entire universe with races, languages, Gods, etc.
 
Bodhisattva said:
that is two that didn't get what I said. I must have worded it badly... the Dunedain were the high men, those with longer lifespans of the Númenóreans.
Click to expand...

And neither of those were the wizards (Istari).
 
clownboy said:
The Silmarillion was full of who begat whom and a lot of history of Middle Earth and the vaious species and ages.
Click to expand...

Definitely Old Testament.

Pippen did indeed have a comic scene in the books with the palantir. And the ball did indeed blaze in the books.
Click to expand...

Pretty sure not.. . I am gonna read it when I get home to verify though.
 
clownboy said:
And neither of those were the wizards (Istari).
Click to expand...

I know. I didn't say that they were. I said that the High Men were the Dunedain.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The amount of time and energy he put into creating that world is astonishing. He made up an entire universe with races, languages, Gods, etc.
Click to expand...

Now are they all part of the same story, the Silmarillian, The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings? I gather that the first one is just giving a background and theme, and The Hobbit perhaps introduces the characters? Then the Lord of the Rings is the actual adventures? Is that right?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom