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Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

Is a white South African, American citizen...considered an African american?

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I have never heard of Native Africans being unfriendly to other races, and my uncle goes there a lot. I generaly think of Native Africans are being very friendly and welcoming based on what my family has told me.

But I have heard of countries like France not liking and being rude to Americans.

I have heard that some other countries are very unfriendly to Jewish people.

But I've never heard of African people being rude hateful or racist towards white people, or anybody.





ecofarm said:
Context is global. White people can love it or leave it. For blacks, leave it isn't an option - not the same deal. County is petty, small minded. You reason as if blacks could go somewhere and unjustly oppress society racially. This is why "black racists" is stupid ****ing BS.
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ecofarm said:
I disagree. I find PC to be more truthful. It examines all of the nuance and sociological factors involved in the discussion, while non-PC is just neanderthal grunting based on emotion and without intellectual examination.
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opinion noted not shared
 
I don't think phrases like African American or Native American divides people, nor do German American Clubs or Greek festivals.

Racial categories and labels has always been somewhat controversial. But using the phrase African American, is a lot less divisive and offensive then the former phrases of Negro and Negroid.

But you've also previously argued that we shouldn't even use racial classification, and that's not practical. We need to recognize and use racial identification in medicine, anthropological studies, ancient human studies, etc.

Recognizing our racial differences, and accepting those differences... hurts nobody. you can't run around and pretend race doesn't exist.





MichaelJR said:
I'm not mad about anything. I was just trying to start a dialogue. I think all this hyphenated non-sense is what divides America in the manner that it does. It's more of a problem than something to celebrate at this point. Look at how polarized this country is. Like we need another label to throw another line down the middle. Split in half, over, and over, and over again. Racism and division amongst Americans exists today, because it's allowed to exist, by creating lines just like this. I'm not saying abandon your heritage, but I would like to see people embrace the heritage being created around them. It's something you hardly see anymore in the media. Everyone wants to be something else.

Do I come off as hostile about this topic? I'm not trying to, honestly.

Off topic, why put the word parents in quotations? They aren't theoretical parents, not parents in question. They raised me, they are my parents...not really sure what you're getting at there. I suppose your definition might differ. Again, not mad, just curious.
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MichaelJR said:
Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?
No, he would be a White South African:doh
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Amanda1858 said:
MichaelJR said:
Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?
No, he would be a White South African:doh
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In that respect, he would be a White-South-African-American?

We could break it down further. A European Decent White South African American. Or an Anglo Saxon South African American. ASSAA.
Those damn ASSAA's. Aliens stand in solitude against africanamericanwhiteamericaneukaryoticmicroorganismsinvadingyourimmunesystemandkillingyousolftlywithhissongkillingmesofffttlllyyyywithhissworrdsstellingmywhollelliifeeewithhissongkillingmesooffttllyyyyywithhissoooooosssoooososoooonngggg.

I always knew it was a conspiracy. Lauren Hill is the cobra commander.
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MichaelJR said:
Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.
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Would he not be a European-African-American?
 
MichaelJR said:
Reppin' mad continents yo.

Few more and we can just skip the hyphens and start calling him Pangea.
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Or just human. But, hey. I've never been one who insists we call ourselves American.
 
Did I mention hyphenated nouns are divisive?
 
Beaudreaux said:
As long as we self separate and self segregate ourselves by what we call ourselves and identify ourselves, we can never become one people.

There should not be any hyphenated Americans. We are either ALL Americans, or we are not.
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Why would diversity be a problem?

Does the rejection of diversity make us 'one people' .. or does it just make us pretend to be blind?
 
SheWolf said:
I don't think phrases like African American or Native American divides people, nor do German American Clubs or Greek festivals.

Racial categories and labels has always been somewhat controversial. But using the phrase African American, is a lot less divisive and offensive then the former phrases of Negro and Negroid.

But you've also previously argued that we shouldn't even use racial classification, and that's not practical. We need to recognize and use racial identification in medicine, anthropological studies, ancient human studies, etc.

Recognizing our racial differences, and accepting those differences... hurts nobody. you can't run around and pretend race doesn't exist.
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APPLAUSE :applaud
 
How would anyone know the difference between euro-Americans and African-Americans if we didn't use our full hyphenated descriptions? And it is very important that we make such distinctions. It helps maintain a proper "us and them" perspective on things that is so important for social harmony.
 
SheWolf said:
I don't think phrases like African American or Native American divides people, nor do German American Clubs or Greek festivals.

Racial categories and labels has always been somewhat controversial. But using the phrase African American, is a lot less divisive and offensive then the former phrases of Negro and Negroid.

But you've also previously argued that we shouldn't even use racial classification, and that's not practical. We need to recognize and use racial identification in medicine, anthropological studies, ancient human studies, etc.

Recognizing our racial differences, and accepting those differences... hurts nobody. you can't run around and pretend race doesn't exist.
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Well said.

Racial division isn't created by honesty. It has been created by centuries of discrimination and inequality. Through hard work and much pain, things are better today. However, better isn't equal to absence of racism. Ignoring the issues and problems that remain will not move us forward. Only more honest discussion and work will make things even better still.

On a practical note, people always categorize. It may not be best practice, but it will happen a sure as night will fall.
 
Papa bull said:
How would anyone know the difference between euro-Americans and African-Americans if we didn't use our full hyphenated descriptions? And it is very important that we make such distinctions. It helps maintain a proper "us and them" perspective on things that is so important for social harmony.
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'Social harmony???'

Truth is an adversary of social harmony?

NO .. it is not.
 
MichaelJR said:
Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S.
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 It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.
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If you think of race as B.S. then why are you talking about it, are you a B.S. spreader?

The only race on this planet is the human race.
 
WCH said:
Did I mention hyphenated nouns are divisive?
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Only when used by people like those who promoted the GOP's divisive "Southern Strategy"




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
BlackAsCoal said:
'Social harmony???'

Truth is an adversary of social harmony?

NO .. it is not.
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Who said anything about truth being an adversary of social harmony? Do you really think it would be deceptive NOT to use hyphenated-American labels? Do you need to stick an "African-Hypehen" in front of your "American" label in order for me to not confuse you with "Euro-Americans"?

What benefit do we get from that except proper maintenance of the "us vs. them" mentality such labels help ensure? Whether your avatar actually reflects your status in active duty or not, assuming you are on active duty, do you think it's important that you describe yourself as a "female soldier" instead of just a soldier? It's the truth, isn't it? If you were a doctor, would you insist on being called a "female doctor"? Or an "African American Doctor"? It's the truth, so why not? As long as it's the truth, it can't be adversarial to social harmony, right?

Think about it.
 
MichaelJR said:
So by that respect....Americans of English decent should celebrate white history month? And consider themselves English Americans?

See where I'm going with this?

Why can't everyone just be....Americans.
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Maybe because some people, like the person who started this thread, always want to talk about where people came from.
 
Keridan said:
So if it's ancestry based, they are just Africans and not Americans now. Too bad, that means there are no Americans at all.
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Wrong, there are Americans like me, the Native Americans who were in America before Columbus found the place.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I think the whole politically correct "race doesn't exist" line is a joke. Talk about willful blindness, or seeing only what you want to see.

That's like saying blue eyes are a myth.

Look around you.
Some people are black, some people are white, some people are asians, some are a mix. Even a child can tell the difference.
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Most children don't care about the difference.

They are way ahead of a lot of adults.
 
shrubnose said:
Does anyone think that Native Americans are not 'real' Americans?
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I believe every single one of us are Americans. We are all Americans regardless where we came from, born here or not, it is that simple.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Who is making an issue of it? I certainly wasn't. I didn't bring up Birmingham.
I'm just saying quit being an ostrich with your head in the sand just so you can be PC, and call a spade a spade.
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Calling a spade a spade is not PC.




"Political correctness does not legislate tolerance. It only organizes hatred." ~ Jacques Barzun
 
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