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Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

Is a white South African, American citizen...considered an African american?


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Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.
 
Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.

Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?

Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.

Their ancestors are not African.

White South Africans are descendants of later European settlers, mainly from the Netherlands and Britain.
History of South Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They would be South African Americans, or just "mutts" like the rest of us.
 
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Their ancestors are not African.


History of South Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They would be South African Americans, or just "muts" like the rest of us.

Then again....they have been in Africa longer than "African Americans" in America. Truth be told, African Americans here have been away from Africa far longer than South Africans. I believe African Americans are more just plain old Americans than...well anyone in that respect minus the English.

Riddle that riddler.

For the record....I'm a few deep guys. Thought just came to me.
 
Then again....they have been in Africa longer than "African Americans" in America. Truth be told, African Americans here have been away from Africa far longer than South Africans. I believe African Americans are more just plain old Americans than...well anyone in that respect minus the English.

Riddle that riddler.

For the record....I'm a few deep guys. Thought just came to me.

African American refers to ancestry, not country. If it referred to country, the country's name would be used. As it refers to ancestry, white South Africans can self-identify by their country of origin (South African Americans) but not by African heritage (African Americans). A white Kenyan could identify as a Kenyan American but not an African American, as (again) the latter reference is to ancestry.
 
African American refers to ancestry, not country. If it referred to country, the country's name would be used. As it refers to ancestry, white South Africans could identify by their country of origin but not by African heritage.

So by that respect....Americans of English decent should celebrate white history month? And consider themselves English Americans?

See where I'm going with this?

Why can't everyone just be....Americans.
 
So if it's ancestry based, they are just Africans and not Americans now. Too bad, that means there are no Americans at all.
 
So by that respect....Americans of English decent should celebrate white history month? And consider themselves English Americans?

Every month is white history month. I believe the common term used is British American, though I suppose English American could work.

See where I'm going with this?

Why can't everyone just be....Americans.

Because people appreciate their heritage.
 
So if it's ancestry based, they are just Africans and not Americans now. Too bad, that means there are no Americans at all.

Technically, we are all microorganisms in that sense if we are going to take it way back.

Eukaryoteicans unite!
 
So if it's ancestry based, they are just Africans and not Americans now. Too bad, that means there are no Americans at all.

Native tribes still exist.
 
I think the whole politically correct "race doesn't exist" line is a joke. Talk about willful blindness, or seeing only what you want to see.

That's like saying blue eyes are a myth.

Look around you. Some people are black, some people are white, some people are asians, some are a mix. Even a child can tell the difference.
 
Every month is white history month. I believe the common term used is British American, though I suppose English American could work. Well, I don't recall many Scotts waving the union jack 'round these parts



Because people appreciate their heritage.
I regard America as being my heritage. I think once we start doing that as a whole, this ridiculous race issue will cease. We are all American.

So, that's where I stand.
 
I think the whole politically correct "race doesn't exist" line is a joke. Talk about willful blindness, or seeing only what you want to see.

That's like saying blue eyes are a myth.

Look around you. Some people are black, some people are white, some people are asians, some are a mix. Even a child can tell the difference.

Sure. Some people wear blue shirts, some people wear flip flops, if we trivialize it to that point and let this B.S. go...we might be able to move on and tackle real issues. Birmingham is over, nobody is marching anymore. Moving onto the next issue would be nice.
 
Sure. Some people wear blue shirts, some people wear flip flops, if we trivialize it to that point and let this B.S. go...we might be able to move on and tackle real issues. Birmingham is over, nobody is marching anymore. Moving onto the next issue would be nice.

Who is making an issue of it? I certainly wasn't. I didn't bring up Birmingham. I'm just saying quit being an ostrich with your head in the sand just so you can be PC, and call a spade a spade.
 
Okay, I'll play technicalities. I'm first generation. My mom's family is from Sicily, is now American. My dad's family is from Belfast-rock-city, now American (I know, odd mix).

I don't identify myself as being either. Sure, I eat Sicilian food, drink Jameson, but I'm not Sicilian or Irish. I'm American.
 
Who is making an issue of it? I certainly wasn't. I didn't bring up Birmingham. I'm just saying quit being an ostrich with your head in the sand just so you can be PC, and call a spade a spade.

Oh man, I couldn't be further from PC if I had to. Thus, me calling a white south African, an African American. Figured that might stir up the pot a bit.
 
I'm just saying quit being an ostrich with your head in the sand just so you can be PC, and call a spade a spade.

Wait a minute, I'm very PC and proud of it. I see PC as social intellectualism. Nonetheless, I see no harm in someone recognizing their ancestry. I don't see it as a divider but a celebration of diversity.
 
Nihilism.

Such a solid, loquacious and considered response! I realize that the facts are completely against you and that increases the challenge, but if you are going to take the time to respond, is it not worth a little more effort than pointing out that skepticism is what led me to the facts?

I'm headed to bed now, but I will enjoy looking for a multi - word response in the am .
 
Okay, I'll play technicalities. I'm first generation. My mom's family is from Sicily, is now American. My dad's family is from Belfast-rock-city, now American (I know, odd mix).

I don't identify myself as being either. Sure, I eat Sicilian food, drink Jameson, but I'm not Sicilian or Irish. I'm American.

You're a mutt. There is no such thing as Italian-Irish Americans.
 
Oh man, I couldn't be further from PC if I had to. Thus, me calling a white south African, an African American. Figured that might stir up the pot a bit.

Nah I had some buddies from South Africa in college who tried to call themselves African American.... the university offices disagreed with them.

"African American" is a race. It really has nothing to do with being from Africa, it has to do with coming from a certain extended "family tree" and having the telltale phenotypes.
 
Such a solid, loquacious and considered response! I realize that the facts are completely against you and that increases the challenge, but if you are going to take the time to respond, is it not worth a little more effort than pointing out that skepticism is what led me to the facts?

I'm headed to bed now, but I will enjoy looking for a multi - word response in the am .


When you see this, go look up nihilism. I understand that philosophical references can confuse and befuddle some people, but I think after studying it you will be capable of grasping my retort.
 
Wait a minute, I'm very PC and proud of it. I see PC as social intellectualism. Nonetheless, I see no harm in someone recognizing their ancestry. I don't see it as a divider but a celebration of diversity.

How is political correctness the same as social intellectualism?
 
You're a mutt. There is no such thing as Italian-Irish Americans.

Once you're American, IMO, there's no such thing as Blankblankblank anything. You're just American. I mean, she still speaks the language, I spoke it as a kid, but it's irrelevant. They don't fly the medusa, my dad doesn't do a jig, it's an American family.

I don't know. I've always been perplexed by people's obsessions with backgrounds. I'm a hop skip and a jump from the 'old countries', but I don't recognize it. Than you have Joey Diblahblahdio rocking Italia shirts and he doesn't speak a drop of it, is about 5th generation, and his last name isn't even spelled correctly.

It's always agitated me.
 
How is political correctness the same as social intellectualism?

It requires an awareness and an appreciation of accurate terminology. It recognizes differences in perspective and how that impacts communication. It promotes discussion at a level above the average mullet-wearing trailer-park dweller.
 
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