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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I accidentally voted yes, and meant to vote no.

    South Africa is a former colony and consists of dozens of ethnicity, cultures, and languages. It has 17 official recognized languages.

    Some white South Africans are very culturally Afrikaans, and speak mostly Afrikaans. Other white South Africans speak English, and are from more recent European immigrants.

    Once a person from South Africa is a naturalized American citizen, then they are Americans. I don't consider them South African Americans, Afrikaans Americans, Zulu Americans, etc. They are 100 percent Americans.

    As for racial classification.... The term African American and all other racial classifications has typically been controversial and confusing. However, it is has been about race and skin color, its never been about geography or place of immigration.

    But we typically don't find the phrase "African American" as offensive as former terms used to describe the people; nergo and negroid are considered offensive by most modern people, therefore, we are going with African American for now. Mongoloid was another official race people were classified under, and that also sounds offensive.

    I personally think caucasian also sounds ridiculous. Why not just say European decent???

    Why not just say African decent?

    That would make more sense to me.
    20 or so years ago my wife was attending a class to get her ready for her naturalization test before she became an American citizen. She was taught that we are all Americans, that there is no such thing as an hyphenated American. That regardless of where you are from or born, what race, religion, etc. we are all Americans. That is how I look at it too.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    I used to read a blog, I think it was called Things Black People Love. It was fairly entertaining, and recall the love of Clinton being strong, not so much enthusiasm for Sharpton, West, or C Thomas that I recall.

    I just thought was kind of funny given your statement.


    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I have one such friend. We kid around about her being African American all the time. Similar fun designations were assigned to Theresa Kerry, an immigrant from Mozambique, when her husband John Kerry was the Democrat nominee for President in 2004.

    Free insight into black culture: most blacks don't see ethnicity when they think of "the black community." They think of choosing to be a part of, identifying with and being supportive America's population; at least first and foremost. People like Robin Thicke, Michael Pfleger and Bill Clinton are thought of as part of the African American community more than Allen West, Alan Keyes and Clarence Thomas because the "white guys" are seen as intentionally choosing to identify with the black population while the "black guys" I listed are true or false perceived as intentionally choosing to not identify with the black population. Not completely but to an extent especially at the social level.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


    Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


    Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.
    If he becomes an American citizen then he should be just an American.Americans should quit hanging onto former nationalities.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    I knew a girl originally from Argentina, and she lived in America for several years, and then moved to Spain with her fiancé.

    She always said that she had three countries to be proud of, and I saw nothing wrong with that.

    My grandparents and great-grandparents are my heroes, and they survived wars, displacement, and genocide, and I am proud of my heritage, my ancesty, and have lived in and traveled to Europe.

    I personally don't understand your apathy, but I am fine with you being the way you are. however I'm not okay with you telling me that I am wrong and that I should feel the same exact way as you.





    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Culturally ignorant? Please. Historically ignorant? Oh boy, let's have a debate, this will be comical. First off, it's a melting pot. I know you'd love to see every flag of the world waved in America, just to show how we are special little snowflakes and oh so accepting, I would just like to see the stars and stripes. You know, since this is America...the lack of nationalism in the left is absolutely baffling. Is it so bad to be American? The phrase "I'm an American" is like mental pepper spray to the lockstep liberal.

    As mentioned, I was raised by a Sicilian and an Irishman, that upon getting citizenship, no longer referred to themselves as the such. Recognized the melting pot ideology that made this country great, and embraced it with both arms (like real Americans do). I am far more "cultured" (if that's what you call traveling to foreign places, eating food, seeing historical objects/sites/buildings/artwork, I just call it traveling and eating) than you give me credit for, I've seen, well quite a bit. Been quite a few places. There's no-place like home. Home is not where your ancestors or parents came from...it's here.

    My parents call themselves American. What's your excuse? Embrace your country, I promise, it's not so bad.


    and what the hell was I baiting? Someone clue me in here. Catalyzing a conversation many don't want to have isn't baiting.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I knew a girl originally from Argentina, and she lived in America for several years, and then moved to Spain with her fiancé.

    She always said that she had three countries to be proud of, and I saw nothing wrong with that.

    My grandparents and great-grandparents are my heroes, and they survived wars, displacement, and genocide, and I am proud of my heritage, my ancesty, and have lived in and traveled to Europe.

    I personally don't understand your apathy, but I am fine with you being the way you are. however I'm not okay with you telling me that I am wrong and that I should feel the same exact way as you.
    Oh I'm not saying you're wrong. We're all entitled to our own opinions. I just feel as though the lack of nationalism in America is disheartening.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    She was taught that we are all Americans, that there is no such thing as an hyphenated American. That regardless of where you are from or born, what race, religion, etc. we are all Americans.
    Wow! I never heard it put that way. That's very profound.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Wow! I never heard it put that way. That's very profound.
    She became a citizen in the early 90's and that was what the immigration folks were teaching back then. Of course back then or some time before then were blacks and before then Negros. Terms like African-American and Native-American were just being invented. I also remember America being referred to as the melting pot of the world. It does seems like we have take one huge step backwards doesn't it?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I used to read a blog, I think it was called Things Black People Love. It was fairly entertaining, and recall the love of Clinton being strong, not so much enthusiasm for Sharpton, West, or C Thomas that I recall.

    I just thought was kind of funny given your statement.
    Sounds about right. Before Obama, Clinton was known affectionately as "the first black president" by blacks, and it was a designation Clinton truly seemed flattered and honored to have.

    As a black republican (currently a very frustrated one), blacks affiliated with the GOP as seen as traitors. The exceptions are Colin Powell and JC Watts. I thinks it's an automatic assumption that if you're black and a republican you're trying to disassociate politically and possibly otherwise with other blacks, when that's not always the case. Once you start standing up for blacks within the GOP as did Powell and Watts when pertainant issues arose, you get your black person credentials back . Then, unfortunately white republicans label you a RINO and accuse you of "using te race card." Either way, you can't win so just be true to your convictions.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I agree with eco that your arguments are nihilistic. You render everything as meaningless.
    Thanks for your vote, I guess.

    The truth is, it is meaningless. What a group or individual chooses to call themselves doesn't change who/what they are. They are welcome to take on any title they like.

    The fact that using a term like Native American completely ignores or maybe even attempts to distort the definition of the word is just a fun point to pick at. The truth is that politics has so badly distorted the language already makes it useless to pretend there is a serious debate to be had about it.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Their ancestors are not African.
    Since the whole of humanity sprang from Africa, absolutely everyone's ancestors are African.
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