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Thread: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.
    Is it safe to assume these are European South Africans? I don't think African American is an official race. I think the options are

    Black
    Hispanic
    Caucasion
    those who thought of being hispanic
    Hispanic with a slight limp
    Some who has heard of a hispanic person
    Hispanic with a little bit of spice
    various other relationship to being hispanic

    These are the official races listed on the census.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Is it safe to assume these are European South Africans?
    As everyone said....everyone came from Africa...

    That would make them more African, because they are African European Africans.


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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, that would be an African-American. Most of the blacks in this country aren't African Americans any more than I am a German American. We are just Americans with different skin colors.
    America is not the only nation who collects statistics on race.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    America is not the only nation who collects statistics on race.
    Doesn't matter to me either way.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Obvious bait thread is obvious. A thread where an adopted, culturally and historically ignorant OP gets to rant that nobody cared about his heritage enough to give it to him on his adoption file. Lame threads like this makes me miss aquapub's threads.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    I accidentally voted yes, and meant to vote no.

    South Africa is a former colony and consists of dozens of ethnicity, cultures, and languages. It has 17 official recognized languages.

    Some white South Africans are very culturally Afrikaans, and speak mostly Afrikaans. Other white South Africans speak English, and are from more recent European immigrants.

    Once a person from South Africa is a naturalized American citizen, then they are Americans. I don't consider them South African Americans, Afrikaans Americans, Zulu Americans, etc. They are 100 percent Americans.

    As for racial classification.... The term African American and all other racial classifications has typically been controversial and confusing. However, it is has been about race and skin color, its never been about geography or place of immigration.

    But we typically don't find the phrase "African American" as offensive as former terms used to describe the people; nergo and negroid are considered offensive by most modern people, therefore, we are going with African American for now. Mongoloid was another official race people were classified under, and that also sounds offensive.

    I personally think caucasian also sounds ridiculous. Why not just say European decent???

    Why not just say African decent?

    That would make more sense to me.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    I am inclined to agree with you on some of this, but racial identification may actually serve a purpose in medicine and identifying people. It also has a meaningful place in many anthropological studies, researching our genomes, and studying ancient humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


    Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


    Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Obvious bait thread is obvious. A thread where an adopted, culturally and historically ignorant OP gets to rant that nobody cared about his heritage enough to give it to him on his adoption file. Lame threads like this makes me miss aquapub's threads.
    Culturally ignorant? Please. Historically ignorant? Oh boy, let's have a debate, this will be comical. First off, it's a melting pot. I know you'd love to see every flag of the world waved in America, just to show how we are special little snowflakes and oh so accepting, I would just like to see the stars and stripes. You know, since this is America...the lack of nationalism in the left is absolutely baffling. Is it so bad to be American? The phrase "I'm an American" is like mental pepper spray to the lockstep liberal.

    As mentioned, I was raised by a Sicilian and an Irishman, that upon getting citizenship, no longer referred to themselves as the such. Recognized the melting pot ideology that made this country great, and embraced it with both arms (like real Americans do). I am far more "cultured" (if that's what you call traveling to foreign places, eating food, seeing historical objects/sites/buildings/artwork, I just call it traveling and eating) than you give me credit for, I've seen, well quite a bit. Been quite a few places. There's no-place like home. Home is not where your ancestors or parents came from...it's here.

    My parents call themselves American. What's your excuse? Embrace your country, I promise, it's not so bad.


    and what the hell was I baiting? Someone clue me in here. Catalyzing a conversation many don't want to have isn't baiting.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Skipping to the end of the thread, and then will go back and reread it.

    I heard about a girl who was born and raised in Africa, but was white. She came to America, applied to college and applied as an African American. They wouldn't let her apply as an African American because she was white, even though she was more African American than most of the black kids in the school.

    If she's from Africa, and immigrated to America, she is African American. Just my two cents.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    I agree with eco that your arguments are nihilistic. You render everything as meaningless.


    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Congratulations! This is indeed progress! I'm impressed. If you continue to improve at this extreme rate, I imagine we will be able to get a considered and (dare we dream it?) intelligible argument out of you in just a few short years. I have to say, that's better than my initial projection.

    Now, since you were the one to bring etymology into the discussion, you can hardly get upset at my use of semantics. Well, obviously you can as evidenced by your crude attempts to demean me, but it is rather silly.

    My comment was based on the fact that being native is a binary state. There aren't degrees of being native. You can apply it to being born somewhere, in which case anyone born in the US is native to the US or you can apply it culturally, in which case no culture is shown to be truly native to the US. It's intellectually dishonest (a cute little phrase I enjoy) to say that one culture is more native than another.

    It's probably worth mentioning that I don't care what a group wants to call themselves to divide themselves from being American. I chimed in for much the same reason I play the Highlights games in doctors' offices. The atmosphere and previous arguments reminded me of childhood for some reason. Political correctness is hardly an intellectual pursuit and I mostly just find it entertaining to watch the foolishness as a spectator.

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