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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    I've asked what about republican attempts to disenfranchise non-white voters .. you've yet to respond.
    The republicans haven't DIS-enfranchised non-white voters. Tightening up on immigration policy shouldn't "disenfranchise" Hispanics. Seeking more welfare reform shouldn't disenfranchise black voters. And what do you think the republican party did to disenfranchise asian voters? Nothing.

    Now, granted, people collecting feckin' welfare might not be very happy with the republican party but that shouldn't be disenfranchising "non-whites" should it? I'm half Cuban. I'm considered "non-white". I only vote republican because there's no way I could possibly vote for the race-baiting, welfare-loving, tree-hugging, gun-grabbing, personal responsibility hating democrats and all their crap propaganda. Republicans have been ineffective but simply not being democrats is good enough to get my vote until there's something better.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The republicans haven't DIS-enfranchised non-white voters. Tightening up on immigration policy shouldn't "disenfranchise" Hispanics. Seeking more welfare reform shouldn't disenfranchise black voters. And what do you think the republican party did to disenfranchise asian voters? Nothing.

    Now, granted, people collecting feckin' welfare might not be very happy with the republican party but that shouldn't be disenfranchising "non-whites" should it? I'm half Cuban. I'm considered "non-white". I only vote republican because there's no way I could possibly vote for the race-baiting, welfare-loving, tree-hugging, gun-grabbing, personal responsibility hating democrats and all their crap propaganda. Republicans have been ineffective but simply not being democrats is good enough to get my vote until there's something better.
    You're a Cuban American .. and you vote like most Cuban-Americans.

    Would you like to see the percentages non-whites vote for republicans in? Or are you resigned to blame them for not supporting a political party that consistently attempts to disenfranchise their votes. There is no sane argument that they don't.

    How about gays? How welcome have republicans been to that large segment of the electorate?

    How about women? are they also resistant to republicans talking about 'responsibility' .. or do they resist because of republican policies and agenda that is not in their interests?

    If you feel comfortable blaming every other segment of society for republican failure to connect to those demographics, that's fine with me brother. I don't want to see republicans win another national election in my lifetime .. and republicans blaming everyone else instead of genuinely reach out will get me just what I want.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Hey... if you equate personal responsibility with intolerance, then that's your problem and it explains why you side with the party that gave us the food stamp president.
    You mean like the 'personal responsibility' of Swarzenegger? :0)

    There is a long ass list.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    You're a Cuban American .. and you vote like most Cuban-Americans.

    Would you like to see the percentages non-whites vote for republicans in? Or are you resigned to blame them for not supporting a political party that consistently attempts to disenfranchise their votes. There is no sane argument that they don't.

    How about gays? How welcome have republicans been to that large segment of the electorate?

    How about women? are they also resistant to republicans talking about 'responsibility' .. or do they resist because of republican policies and agenda that is not in their interests?

    If you feel comfortable blaming every other segment of society for republican failure to connect to those demographics, that's fine with me brother. I don't want to see republicans win another national election in my lifetime .. and republicans blaming everyone else instead of genuinely reach out will get me just what I want.
    Gays? Are gays "non white" now? I support the position of states rights on homosexual marriage. If a state doesn't want to sanction homosexual marriage, it shouldn't have to. But let's get back to what republicans are doing to non-whites.....

    I'm waiting for the list of things those evil republicans are doing to my black, hispanic and asian brothers and sisters. What specific policies are disenfranchising the non-whites. Be specific.

    And what sort of "reach out" would tickle the poor little hearts of those "non-whites"? Again, be specific. What do republicans have to do to make the "non-whites" feel the love?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    We'll just have to disagree on that.
    I've never met a white South African with a bone in their nose, face paint, who believed witchcraft or practiced strange and ancient tribal traditions.

    It's an insult to Africans, and humanity's intelligence in general, that you cannot perceive the difference between someone who has lived in Africa for a couple generations and someone with African heritage in their culture.

    All the white South Africans I've ever known (spent quite a bit of time with one in Europe) have been the same thing as Europeans culturally. I knew a 3rd generation white Zimbabwean and - guess what... you'd never know by meeting him. Not the slightest difference between him and the Euros. A couple generations in Africa does not make one African.

    What kind of Euro moves to Africa and adopts African culture?! None. Get a ****ing clue.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Gays? Are gays "non white" now? I support the position of states rights on homosexual marriage. If a state doesn't want to sanction homosexual marriage, it shouldn't have to. But let's get back to what republicans are doing to non-whites.....
    Go back and read my posts .. I've mentioned America's diverse population many times. It's no secret why you want to run away from this. :0)

    I'm waiting for the list of things those evil republicans are doing to my black, hispanic and asian brothers and sisters. What specific policies are disenfranchising the non-whites. Be specific.
    It would be a waste of our time because you'll just run. I've mentioned the disenfranchisement of non-white voters and you act as if you've never heard of it.

    Texas Republicans Figure out How to Disenfranchise Women Voters

    ... It’s no longer enough to prevent blacks, Hispanics or college students from voting, so Texas Republicans have figured out how to target the biggest group they fear might challenge their death grip on the throat of Texas politics – women. As of November 5th, when Texas’s strict voter ID law goes into effect, voters will be required to show a photo ID at the polls. Twenty-five percent of eligible African-American voters and 16% of Hispanics do not have an ID that would satisfy the new Texas voter ID requirements. Eighteen percent of people over the age of 65 do not have a current ID at all, and student ID card issued by their college or university are not acceptable to allow them to vote in Texas. Unsurprisingly, most of these voters tend to vote for Democrats.

    But there's an extra, very nasty little sting in the tail: these approved voter IDs also require that voters have their up-to-date legal name at the polls. This effectively impacts a huge proportion of women, particularly those who are married. Only 66% of voting age women has ready access to a photo document that will attest to proof of citizenship and what Texas considers a "legal" name. This is largely significant because married women don't always update their documents with their married names, while changing names after marriage isn't something that usually affects male voters. 34% of women voters – those who are even aware that such an ID will be necessary or they will be prevented from voting – are hurrying to update their documents, not so easy to do and, tellingly, not that quick. Texas is making obtaining this photo ID with a so-called "up-to-date" name as difficult as possible; women must show original documents, along with both a birth certificate and proof of marriage, divorce degree, or court-ordered changes. Photocopies just aren’t good enough.
    Texas Republicans Figure out How to Disenfranchise Women Voters | Crooks and Liars

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    I could post 10 pages of information and data on republican attempts to disenfranchise voters .. yet you ignored it as if its no big deal. Point being, detailing evidence in this conversation is a waste of time.

    And what sort of "reach out" would tickle the poor little hearts of those "non-whites"? Again, be specific. What do republicans have to do to make the "non-whites" feel the love?
    From my perspective, nothing. Here is the part you're missing, republicans are no longer in the drivers seat. :0) They can't win another national election with their current composition. Let me repeat that .. They cannot win another national election .. and that will only lead to an erosion of support statewide. As America becomes even more diverse, the Whigs are waiting for them.

    Republicans don't have to do anything they don't want to do, don't have to reach out to anybody. I'm good with that.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    That's what I thought. The old "asking for ID is disenfranchising minority voters" schtick.

    I suppose you have to rationalize things however you have to rationalize things to keep from admitting that it has anything to do with the fact that so many "minorities" are repulsed by the message of personal responsibility, smaller government, tighter immigration policy, less welfare and no favoritism or affirmative action for minority special interests.

    Of course, the GOP still has hispanic and black supporters. They're just not in the same ratio as the population, which tells us a lot about what most of those minorities think politically.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


    Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


    Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.
    Interestingly, my ex-wife came upon this doing an Art History lecture to a college class. It was about African art, but for some reason she needed to distinguish between art by white people from Africa and black people. When she referred to it as "black" a student corrected her that is was "African-American." Which it wasn't because it wasn't American.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's what I thought. The old "asking for ID is disenfranchising minority voters" schtick.

    I suppose you have to rationalize things however you have to rationalize things to keep from admitting that it has anything to do with the fact that so many "minorities" are repulsed by the message of personal responsibility, smaller government, tighter immigration policy, less welfare and no favoritism or affirmative action for minority special interests.
    :0) More of the same 'responsibility' BS.

    I asked, you didn't answer .. the 'responsibility' of Swarzenegger .. or maybe Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, John Ensign, Mark Sanford, David Vitter, Mark Foley, Philip Giordano, Bob Packwood, William "Wild Bill" Janklow ... I could go on .. and on.

    This has been a good conversation brother, I've enjoyed it.

    thanks

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    :0) More of the same 'responsibility' BS.

    I asked, you didn't answer .. the 'responsibility' of Swarzenegger .. or maybe Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, John Ensign, Mark Sanford, David Vitter, Mark Foley, Philip Giordano, Bob Packwood, William "Wild Bill" Janklow ... I could go on .. and on.

    This has been a good conversation brother, I've enjoyed it.



    thanks
    Right. Because republicans are human and some of them f*** up or do things contrary to their party message, the party message of values and responsibility are null and void. Convenient.

    Logical fallacy ad hominem tu quoque.

    Yes, it's been interesting.
    Last edited by Papa bull; 12-10-13 at 11:41 AM.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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