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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Modern Russian people traveled North and founded Muscovy, and then expanded out to build a massive empire. Thanks to the Ivans, Peter, and Catherine, it was the largest, continuous land mass empire.

    True orgin is probably North of Ukraine. Russians and Siberians are different. Just as the people living in England's colonies in Africa were different, native people to the Congo were not ethnically or culturally British.


    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Thanks for pointing that out, I meant eastern Russia.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    How can you argue that something is this, and that you don't care?

    That makes no sense.

    If it doesn't bother you, how can you accurately judge it as divisive?
    Some people want to be divisive. And since we have freedom of speech, people have every right to be racist, divisive or whatever else their choice of speech might be. How much do you want to be bothered by things you can't control and are actually the rights of other people? People can label themselves whatever they want for whatever reason they want. And everyone else can take it for what it's worth. I don't think its worth anything at all that people call themselves "African-American" except for stimulating discussions like these.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Yes. Anyone that wants to declare it's over can declare it's over. Those that don't, won't be forced to, however. They'll just end up marginalized into obscurity. Racism might last till the end of time as a fringe element, but it doesn't have to be acceptable.
    I like that .. it doesn't have to be acceptable .. and America has come a long way towards that end. But I don't care what side one may be on, no one can sanely declare racism over with the criminal injustice system in this country. It would just be silly to declare racism over with the impediments republicans invent to disenfranchise black voters in this country. I could go on, but you can't just declare racism dead without considering the perspectives of its intended victims. That just doesn't make any sense no matter whatever.

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    Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    African American is most likely just an American cultural thing. There is a reason for it.
    Right on both counts. I just don't think there is a [i]good[/] reason for it. As BAC pointed out, the "fight"ain't over". Some people just do their part to keep it going.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Some people want to be divisive. And since we have freedom of speech, people have every right to be racist, divisive or whatever else their choice of speech might be. How much do you want to be bothered by things you can't control and are actually the rights of other people? People can label themselves whatever they want for whatever reason they want. And everyone else can take it for what it's worth. I don't think its worth anything at all that people call themselves "African-American" except for stimulating discussions like these.
    :0) I'm wondering when has unity and social diversity and harmony ever been a core of conservatism?

    Liberals openly talk about it.

    Help me out brother.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    I like that .. it doesn't have to be acceptable .. and America has come a long way towards that end. But I don't care what side one may be on, no one can sanely declare racism over with the criminal injustice system in this country. It would just be silly to declare racism over with the impediments republicans invent to disenfranchise black voters in this country. I could go on, but you can't just declare racism dead without considering the perspectives of its intended victims. That just doesn't make any sense no matter whatever.
    It's not dead. Too many people take every opportunity they can to see to see to it that it's not dead. Racism is like a dirty stray cur dog. It will be around as long as people feed it.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    :0) I'm wondering when has unity and social diversity and harmony ever been a core of conservatism?

    Liberals openly talk about it.

    Help me out brother.
    When has it not? Equality and fairness has always been the core of conservative philosophy. What libs/socialists and conservatives/libertarians argue about is the concept of "fair".
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Canadians. Answer me this. Do black people in Canada call themselves Canadian or African-Canadian?

    I have a feeling this plague of hyphens only plagues America.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's not dead. Too many people take every opportunity they can to see to see to it that it's not dead. Racism is like a dirty stray cur dog. It will be around as long as people feed it.
    History and intelligence clearly demonstrate that ignoring it won't make it go away. If fighting against makes people uncomfortable, then those who fight it are winning.

    Today, even racists run from the word.

    That's called winning.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    History and intelligence clearly demonstrate that ignoring it won't make it go away. If fighting against makes people uncomfortable, then those who fight it are winning.

    Today, even racists run from the word.

    That's called winning.
    You gotta do what you gotta do.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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