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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I see PC as intellectual timidity. It allows people to abdicate responsibility to call a spade a spade.



    And who gets to determine when a spade is a spade and not a club?

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Some are having a debate about the language right now, its not impossible or meaningless.



    And the debate will continue as long as people use and abuse the English language.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And most of the people on this planet don't give a **** about America, they're way more concerned about what's for breakfast tomorrow morning.
    Where did I say anyone did? I was responding to the question: Why can't everyone just be....Americans. Call your ass down.
    “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post

    And the debate will continue as long as people use and abuse the English language.
    All people use language to express themselves. The words they use are not abusive to themselves, and it shouldn't be abusive to you either. Just hear them out as individuals. Some prefer lables like Hispanic, Asian, African American, and others do not.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post

    And the debate will continue as long as people use and abuse the English language.
    Your earlier comment regarding Egypt gives clarity to African-American. I believe the nomenclature should refer to Black African Americans as opposed to African Americans. Qaddaffi was a African. Nasser. Mubarak. African American is a poor choice and inaccurate as well.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And who gets to determine when a spade is a spade and not a club?
    free people have that ability.



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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your earlier comment regarding Egypt gives clarity to African-American. I believe the nomenclature should refer to Black African Americans as opposed to African Americans. Qaddaffi was a African. Nasser. Mubarak. African American is a poor choice and inaccurate as well.



    There are a lot of light-skinned people in North Africa.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your earlier comment regarding Egypt gives clarity to African-American. I believe the nomenclature should refer to Black African Americans as opposed to African Americans. Qaddaffi was a African. Nasser. Mubarak. African American is a poor choice and inaccurate as well.
    How can in be inaccurate? If one was born in Africa and immigrated to the United States and we continue to insists on hyphenation they are the real sense African-America. To say someone born in Egypt, Libya or even South Africa for that matter that immigrates isn't an African-American isn't looking at a map. Now some of us may have pre-conceived ideas of what a African-American should look like, but even if one does not look like our pre-conceived idea that doesn't make them any less African-American. I always thought all this hyphenation was silly anyway.

    Do we now have to add another round of hyphens if one is from northern Africa, i.e. Arab-African-American or North Sahara-African-American. We all originatated in Africa anyway via Lucy and whomever according the scientist so in a way everyone of us should start out with African. So I probably would be an African-European-American while someone from the Congo or Kenya would be an African-Middle Africa- African-American. Someone from China would be African-Asian-American.

    Why not just call everyone here in America plain simple Americans and be done with it. When my wife took her citizenship test back in the early 90's INS was teaching there is no such thing as an hyphenated American, INS was say then we are all Americans regardless of where we were born or where we came from. Hmm, back to the melting pot of the world not a bad idea.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    It is neither a case of 'need' or 'deception' .. it's about what I choose to call myself and identify with .. just as millions Americans have done since this nations inception. It's not about what you may confuse me with .. in fact, it's not about you at all. It's how I choose to identify with my heritage .. which should not be a problem for you or anyone else at all.

    How does my identification as an African-American disrupt the harmony of anyone?



    What I get from it from it is exactly what it looks like .. an identification with my heritage.

    My avatar is my daughter .. who also identifies herself as an African-American .. when it suits the circumstances. She's in the military and a leader, so there are all manner of things she is restricted by circumstance from doing. She recognizes that the military is not society.

    I, her father, have no such restrictions.

    What changes when I meet someone who identifies themselves as 'Indian-American' rather than 'American?' Answer, absolutely nothing.

    If that affects you .. then you have the answer to what disrupts social harmony.

    My question for you .. being a conservative .. is when did the right become aware of 'social harmony?' Surely you are aware of the intense adverarial relationship between conservatives and just about everybody else? How does that on-going hate-hate relationship add to social harmony?
    Hey... this Euro-American doesn't care what you call yourself. If you think it's important for people to know you're of African descent and worry they might not be able to figure it out without you adding "African-hyphen" to the "American" label, it's all good. You wouldn't want to be mistaken for someone of Swedish descent. That would be a very bad thing. The more we can focus on how different we are, the better it is for everyone.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    This thread and poll is just academia shallow pointless word games.

    Nor does it grasp why black Africans are in America, they were brought against their will as slaves, and their ancestry in Africa dates back as the oldest in human history. White South African citizens are of recent in history European colonial conquest and subjugation, not genetic and ancestral heritage.

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