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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Okay, I'll play technicalities. I'm first generation. My mom's family is from Sicily, is now American. My dad's family is from Belfast-rock-city, now American (I know, odd mix).

    I don't identify myself as being either. Sure, I eat Sicilian food, drink Jameson, but I'm not Sicilian or Irish. I'm American.



    You sound like a Sicilian food-eating Irish-American to me.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    What do you call a black man born in Germany?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wait a minute, I'm very PC and proud of it. I see PC as social intellectualism. Nonetheless, I see no harm in someone recognizing their ancestry.
    I don't see it as a divider but a celebration of diversity.



    That's the way that you see it.

    Some people call it playing the race card.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nah I had some buddies from South Africa in college who tried to call themselves African American.... the university offices disagreed with them.

    "African American" is a race.
    It really has nothing to do with being from Africa, it has to do with coming from a certain extended "family tree" and having the telltale phenotypes.



    Can you prove that some 'White' South Africans don't have those telltale phenotypes?

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What do you call a black man born in Germany?
    Germafrican.

    Africduechlandican.



    If he moved to the states

    Germafrican-american.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    John Kerry's wife is an African-American. She was born in Africa and was naturalized as an American citizen.

    Before all of this PC bull #### hyphenated-Americanism of the mid 1970's was started by the radical left, an hyphenated-American was a foreign born person who was naturalized as an American citizen.


    But that progressive, Thodore Roosevelt looked at it a diffrent way.

    Teddy Roosevelt: "No Room in This Country for Hyphenated Americans"



    >" “There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”
    “This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”
    “But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”
    “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”
    “The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.” "<
    Theodore Roosevelt
    Address to the Knights of Columbus
    New York City- October 12th, 1915

    Reaganite Republican: Teddy Roosevelt: "No Room in This Country for Hyphenated Americans"



    Teddy Roosevelt has been dead and buried for 94 years and the USA is full of hyphenated Americans.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Not so fast!

    You could make a DNA test and see from which ingredients you are made of. Then you can contact people whom call themselves pure of a certain ingredient and see what they have for you in building meaning for your life.

    You may be a certain breed alone after all.
    Did you made any tests?



    He could be the Last of the Mohicans for all we know.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Yep.
    Just like a friend of mine who is Egyptian got preference for the Police exam because he put African American down on the application.

    It's a helluva thing...



    Egypt is still in Africa, eh?

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Who said anything about truth being an adversary of social harmony? Do you really think it would be deceptive NOT to use hyphenated-American labels? Do you need to stick an "African-Hypehen" in front of your "American" label in order for me to not confuse you with "Euro-Americans"?
    It is neither a case of 'need' or 'deception' .. it's about what I choose to call myself and identify with .. just as millions Americans have done since this nations inception. It's not about what you may confuse me with .. in fact, it's not about you at all. It's how I choose to identify with my heritage .. which should not be a problem for you or anyone else at all.

    How does my identification as an African-American disrupt the harmony of anyone?

    What benefit do we get from that except proper maintenance of the "us vs. them" mentality such labels help ensure? Whether your avatar actually reflects your status in active duty or not, assuming you are on active duty, do you think it's important that you describe yourself as a "female soldier" instead of just a soldier? It's the truth, isn't it? If you were a doctor, would you insist on being called a "female doctor"? Or an "African American Doctor"? It's the truth, so why not? As long as it's the truth, it can't be adversarial to social harmony, right?

    Think about it.
    What I get from it from it is exactly what it looks like .. an identification with my heritage.

    My avatar is my daughter .. who also identifies herself as an African-American .. when it suits the circumstances. She's in the military and a leader, so there are all manner of things she is restricted by circumstance from doing. She recognizes that the military is not society.

    I, her father, have no such restrictions.

    What changes when I meet someone who identifies themselves as 'Indian-American' rather than 'American?' Answer, absolutely nothing.

    If that affects you .. then you have the answer to what disrupts social harmony.

    My question for you .. being a conservative .. is when did the right become aware of 'social harmony?' Surely you are aware of the intense adverarial relationship between conservatives and just about everybody else? How does that on-going hate-hate relationship add to social harmony?

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Texas is racist. Vidor comes to mind
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    I have spent some time in Texas and I will agree that some Texans are racist.

    Others, not so much.

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