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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
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    You can tell that to anyone since nobody is more "African" than anyone else.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Context is global. White people can love it or leave it. For blacks, leave it isn't an option - not the same deal. County is petty, small minded. You reason as if blacks could go somewhere and unjustly oppress society racially. This is why "black racists" is stupid ****ing BS.
    Well, I wrote this whole long self righteous post full of anecdotal evidence but decided to scratch it, figuring I would try a different approach.

    Where can white people go that black people can't? Have you ever worked in an environment where you were the minority, other co-workers less qualified, less skilled, but the same color as the boss. got away with murder, even those the boss didn't really care for received preferential treatment, and they were black and the oppressed person was white?

    I can think of at least two Calypso Louie acolytes right now who have a bow tie in one pocket and a bean pie in the other, at the ready, waiting for their chance at giving Whitey a taste of his own medicine...in some for instances this has already happened.

    Let me ask an off handed but related question, have you ever seen White Man's Burden w/ John Travolta and Harry Belafonte?

    The real object of this whole little game is called control and power. White's currently are in control and have the power, to think that any other race should they gain control and power would do anything different is sheer naivete. I'm sorry but it is. To argue otherwise is engaging in racism of another sort. Whereas you would be under the impression that white people are intrinsically evil, (them blue-eyed devils) and those non-white races are intrinsically good and altruistic.

    I'm not saying you are necessarily making this argument, but you are coming dangerously close.(between both responses you gave)

    We also have to be sure we clearly identify racism vs. prejudice based on a shared self-concept.

    White man, Brooks Brothers suit , looks kinda like my uncle Pete = Safe

    Black man, saggy pants, braids, looks kinda like the 2nd felon on AMW you watched last night = Danger

    This isn't racism, but people confuse this for racism

    The first guy could be the Bay Harbor Butcher, the second an Investment Banker on vacation for all anyone knows but it is the way we identify others with ourselves and the natural attraction aversion mental games we play.

    So if I'm a store owner and the second guy comes in and lingers, am I racist for being suspicious? No.

    But again, people will say that that is racism.

    To really have any sort of meaningful dialog about race, racism, et al, we really need to set parameters and definitions, and most important we have to be able to agree on them, otherwise its all just anecdotes and talking past each other.

    I kinda went off on a tangent here, but to make a final point if context is global we are all in the minority unless we're Han...

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    What exactly are you complaining about? You seemed to take issue with people identifying with their cultural heritage, and now you seem to think its impossible not to. I am confused, other than you saying people should just be called American.


    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    He read into what I said too much. They no longer referred to themselves as the such, just American. We still eat Sicilian food on Sunday, 7 Fish, etc etc etc. They haven't lost their heritage, but they chose to embrace what was around them.

    I think everyone is reading into what I'm writing way too much.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


    Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


    Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.
    I would say yes. African doesn't mean skin color but that a person comes from that country, so yes. Whereas most African Americans in this country are really not so much really "African" Americans.

    I have ancestors from Ireland but I don't call myself an Irish-American.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think you are mistaken. PC creates a chilling effect on an intellectual conversation. An intellectual conversation generally requires truth. PC is contrary to truth
    I disagree. I find PC to be more truthful. It examines all of the nuance and sociological factors involved in the discussion, while non-PC is just neanderthal grunting based on emotion and without intellectual examination.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    I have never heard of Native Africans being unfriendly to other races, and my uncle goes there a lot. I generaly think of Native Africans are being very friendly and welcoming based on what my family has told me.

    But I have heard of countries like France not liking and being rude to Americans.

    I have heard that some other countries are very unfriendly to Jewish people.

    But I've never heard of African people being rude hateful or racist towards white people, or anybody.





    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Context is global. White people can love it or leave it. For blacks, leave it isn't an option - not the same deal. County is petty, small minded. You reason as if blacks could go somewhere and unjustly oppress society racially. This is why "black racists" is stupid ****ing BS.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I disagree. I find PC to be more truthful. It examines all of the nuance and sociological factors involved in the discussion, while non-PC is just neanderthal grunting based on emotion and without intellectual examination.
    opinion noted not shared



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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    I don't think phrases like African American or Native American divides people, nor do German American Clubs or Greek festivals.

    Racial categories and labels has always been somewhat controversial. But using the phrase African American, is a lot less divisive and offensive then the former phrases of Negro and Negroid.

    But you've also previously argued that we shouldn't even use racial classification, and that's not practical. We need to recognize and use racial identification in medicine, anthropological studies, ancient human studies, etc.

    Recognizing our racial differences, and accepting those differences... hurts nobody. you can't run around and pretend race doesn't exist.





    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    I'm not mad about anything. I was just trying to start a dialogue. I think all this hyphenated non-sense is what divides America in the manner that it does. It's more of a problem than something to celebrate at this point. Look at how polarized this country is. Like we need another label to throw another line down the middle. Split in half, over, and over, and over again. Racism and division amongst Americans exists today, because it's allowed to exist, by creating lines just like this. I'm not saying abandon your heritage, but I would like to see people embrace the heritage being created around them. It's something you hardly see anymore in the media. Everyone wants to be something else.

    Do I come off as hostile about this topic? I'm not trying to, honestly.

    Off topic, why put the word parents in quotations? They aren't theoretical parents, not parents in question. They raised me, they are my parents...not really sure what you're getting at there. I suppose your definition might differ. Again, not mad, just curious.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    [QUOTE=MichaelJR;1062629635]Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


    Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?
    No, he would be a White South African
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


    Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?
    No, he would be a White South African
    In that respect, he would be a White-South-African-American?

    We could break it down further. A European Decent White South African American. Or an Anglo Saxon South African American. ASSAA.
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