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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    tell that to the minority of said county...
    In rural Kenya two years, I met/saw a white person perhaps 10 times (highway travelling, when in/near Nairobi a few days). I brought a mzungu from a college near Nairobi to the village for a few days. Other than myself, that's almost the only white person to stay in the village for days over the last decade or two (at least). Even that's not the same as being a minority, whites were privileged. It's like a coat that we can wear and remove (by changing location) whenever we want - not the same thing.



    I should deal with multiple quotes in one post. Sorry 'bout that, kinda lazy.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It's hard to believe that people just give up their culture.

    Maybe his parents started calling themselves American instead of Irish and Sicilian, but its hard to believe that he just threw away all their cultural ties. Its a huge part of one's identity. How does somebody just suddenly stop being Sicilian and start being American?

    Its just impossible in what I have seen in my own parents.
    He read into what I said too much. They no longer referred to themselves as the such, just American. We still eat Sicilian food on Sunday, 7 Fish, etc etc etc. They haven't lost their heritage, but they chose to embrace what was around them.

    I think everyone is reading into what I'm writing way too much.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    tell that to the minority of said county...
    Context is global. White people can love it or leave it. For blacks, leave it isn't an option - not the same deal. County is petty, small minded. You reason as if blacks could go somewhere and unjustly oppress society racially. This is why "black racists" is stupid ****ing BS.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem with your argument is that you're not asking for embracing. You're asking for assimilation. People can still maintain their cultural inheritance and still embrace it everyday. Which is what most people do. Giving up cultural inheritance for the sake of 'Murica (assimilation) is nonsense. Now, you can keep going on about your "debate" but there is no debate here. You want people to give up their cultural inheritance for the sake of an America which has never asked them to do so. Ever. The Irish weren't asked to give up their heritage. They haven't. The Asians haven't either. The only people you seem to have a bone with are blacks who care enough about their heritage to call themselves African-American.

    Now, this is all aside from the fact that historically African-Americans can be considered second only to Native-Americans in terms of ties to this country. So what are you mad about? Self labeling? It's not like African-Americans are going around wearing dashikis and beating drums. So what is it about this self labeling that bothers you so much? Do you not get a news channel to keep you occupied with important matters?



    Good for them. Everyone else doesn't have to give up their heritage simply because your "parents" decided they were no longer Sicilian & Irish. Actually, most people haven't given up on their cultural inheritance. Which is what I guess bothers you so much. Free country though. Deal with it. People label themselves based on the history of their people. My history isn't the same as a Native American's. I don't label myself a "Native-American". My history isn't the same as an Irish American's. So I don't label myself an Irish American. Don't really care about who does or doesn't either.



    Read first comment.



    Embracing =/= assimilate. Your demand is for people to assimilate. Not embrace.



    Read your last statement in the OP.


    I'm not mad about anything. I was just trying to start a dialogue. I think all this hyphenated non-sense is what divides America in the manner that it does. It's more of a problem than something to celebrate at this point. Look at how polarized this country is. Like we need another label to throw another line down the middle. Split in half, over, and over, and over again. Racism and division amongst Americans exists today, because it's allowed to exist, by creating lines just like this. I'm not saying abandon your heritage, but I would like to see people embrace the heritage being created around them. It's something you hardly see anymore in the media. Everyone wants to be something else.

    Do I come off as hostile about this topic? I'm not trying to, honestly.

    Off topic, why put the word parents in quotations? They aren't theoretical parents, not parents in question. They raised me, they are my parents...not really sure what you're getting at there. I suppose your definition might differ. Again, not mad, just curious.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    He read into what I said too much. They no longer referred to themselves as the such, just American. We still eat Sicilian food on Sunday, 7 Fish, etc etc etc. They haven't lost their heritage, but they chose to embrace what was around them.

    I think everyone is reading into what I'm writing way too much.
    Lol, your waffling. Your family didn't embrace anything. They didn't suddenly switch Sicilian food for meatloaf, gravy and mashed 'tatoes. They didn't convert to the religion of 70% of the country and stop giving a **** about beef or fish on Sundays. They embraced a label and nothing else. If that's your idea of "embracing" America, your original OP is simply whining about people refusing to label themselves as you want them to.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, your waffling. Your family didn't embrace anything. They didn't suddenly switch Sicilian food for meatloaf, gravy and mashed 'tatoes. They didn't convert to the religion of 70% of the country and stop giving a **** about beef or fish on Sundays. They embraced a label and nothing else. If that's your idea of "embracing" America, your original OP is simply whining about people refusing to label themselves as you want them to.
    Because they continued to eat food they knew how to cook?

    And again, family in italics. I thought you liberals embraced such open minded family structures, the ones where biology is irrelevant. Rather close minded are we?

    Nothing like the tasty liberal hypocrisy to make that pretty icing on the cake.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    I'm not mad about anything. I'm not mad about anything. I was just trying to start a dialogue. I think all this hyphenated non-sense is what divides America in the manner that it does. It's more of a problem than something to celebrate at this point. Look at how polarized this country is. Like we need another label to throw another line down the middle. Split in half, over, and over, and over again. Racism and division amongst Americans exists today, because it's allowed to exist, by creating lines just like this. I'm not saying abandon your heritage, but I would like to see people embrace the heritage being created around them. It's something you hardly see anymore in the media. Everyone wants to be something else.

    Do I come off as hostile about this topic? I'm not trying to, honestly.

    Off topic, why put the word parents in quotations? They raised me, they are my parents...not really sure what you're getting at there. Again, not mad, just curious.

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    Red - Read your OP.

    Blue - Red herring fallacy followed by non-sequitur. America's division is far more pronounced among political lines & metropolitan. Would you support us all becoming Democrats or Republicans in order to stop political divisions? What about if we all moved to the country side/cities in order to avoid that divide? Your solution is inconsistent with the problem. People have divisions because that's what happens in a country of 300 million people. Not everyone will fit the cookie cutter mold your "parents" so conveniently fit.

    Green - People don't want to be something else, people are something else. Again, Irish Americans are not African-Americans. We don't share the same history nor the same struggles, nor even the same general culture. We are different whether you understand it or not. Africans in different countries are different from one another. Europeans in different countries are different from one another. You even have regional based differences. Bavarians aren't the same as Saxons and they all mark their differences. So why should America be any different? Because your "parents" adopted someone and then decided they'd stop calling themselves by their nationality? Lol. Spare me the emotional appeal to neo-nationalism. The divisions won't stop because everyone stops calling themselves Insert-here-Americans.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Because they continued to eat food they knew how to cook?
    Your family's embrace of "America" only extended to a label? Not much of an embrace once you put it under a microscope is it? Did the Sicilian side stop speaking Sicilian? Okay, they usually do in most movies so we'll let you say yes to that one. Did they change their last names to sound more "American"? Why the fish on weekends? You're an American now. We BBQ on Sundays. If you don't do those things, the subjective standard on what it means to embrace America falls apart. Why stop at a label right?
    Last edited by Hatuey; 12-07-13 at 02:23 AM.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

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