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Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

Is a white South African, American citizen...considered an African american?


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I like that .. it doesn't have to be acceptable .. and America has come a long way towards that end. But I don't care what side one may be on, no one can sanely declare racism over with the criminal injustice system in this country. It would just be silly to declare racism over with the impediments republicans invent to disenfranchise black voters in this country. I could go on, but you can't just declare racism dead without considering the perspectives of its intended victims. That just doesn't make any sense no matter whatever.

It's not dead. Too many people take every opportunity they can to see to see to it that it's not dead. Racism is like a dirty stray cur dog. It will be around as long as people feed it.
 
:0) I'm wondering when has unity and social diversity and harmony ever been a core of conservatism?

Liberals openly talk about it.

Help me out brother.

When has it not? Equality and fairness has always been the core of conservative philosophy. What libs/socialists and conservatives/libertarians argue about is the concept of "fair".
 
Canadians. Answer me this. Do black people in Canada call themselves Canadian or African-Canadian?

I have a feeling this plague of hyphens only plagues America.
 
It's not dead. Too many people take every opportunity they can to see to see to it that it's not dead. Racism is like a dirty stray cur dog. It will be around as long as people feed it.

History and intelligence clearly demonstrate that ignoring it won't make it go away. If fighting against makes people uncomfortable, then those who fight it are winning.

Today, even racists run from the word.

That's called winning.
 
Canadians. Answer me this. Do black people in Canada call themselves Canadian or African-Canadian?

I have a feeling this plague of hyphens only plagues America.

Canada does not share America's ugly ass history.
 
History and intelligence clearly demonstrate that ignoring it won't make it go away. If fighting against makes people uncomfortable, then those who fight it are winning.

Today, even racists run from the word.

That's called winning.

You gotta do what you gotta do.
 
Canada does not share America's ugly ass history.

That pretty much confirms what I thought your position about this says about your attitude toward this country. But like I said, you don't have to love or respect it to live here. That's freedom.
 
Canadians. Answer me this. Do black people in Canada call themselves Canadian or African-Canadian?

I have a feeling this plague of hyphens only plagues America.

Black Canadians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term African Canadian is sometimes used by Black Canadians who trace their heritage to the first slaves brought by British and French colonists to the mainland of North America,[3] but many Blacks of Caribbean origin in Canada reject the term African Canadian as an elision of the uniquely Caribbean aspects of their heritage,[5] and instead identify as Caribbean Canadian.

http://www.aclc.net/

The Council on African Canadian Education (CACE) is the outgrowth of the Black Learners Advisory Committee (BLAC). Formed in 1990....

African Canadian Services | African Canadian Services - Nova Scotia Department of Education and Early Childhood Development

The African Canadian Services Division is located within the Public Schools Branch of the Nova Scotia Department of Education.

Uncle Tom's Cabin - African Canadian Heritage Tour

African Canadian Heritage Tour – A group tour experience

The north shore of Lake Erie was a primary destination for fugitive slaves following the north star to Canada and freedom. This overnight excursion to the northern terminus of the Underground Railroad of activists and abolitionists who helped thousands of enslaved African Americans escape from the southern United States is also a journey about the innate desire to be free.

They probably didn't get the memo on self determination like your "parents" did.
 
When has it not? Equality and fairness has always been the core of conservative philosophy. What libs/socialists and conservatives/libertarians argue about is the concept of "fair".

Point that out. Point out where conservatives have embraced the diversity of the American people .. and I'll point out where they've stood in the door trying to block it.

Do you believe that it's just bad luck that the right is so rejected by America's diverse population?
 
That pretty much confirms what I thought your position about this says about your attitude toward this country. But like I said, you don't have to love or respect it to live here. That's freedom.

What? :0) Me thinks you're trying to run away .. reaching for the 'love or leave it ruse.' That's entertaining.

Simple question .. does Canada share America's ugly ass history of slavery?

So you reached for the ruse because I dare speak the truth?

That's not patriotism, that's hiding. :0)
 
What? :0) Me thinks you're trying to run away .. reaching for the 'love or leave it ruse.' That's entertaining.

Simple question .. does Canada share America's ugly ass history of slavery?

So you reached for the ruse because I dare speak the truth?

That's not patriotism, that's hiding. :0)

I am trying to run away. Monday night football is coming on soon and I'd rather watch that than argue with an "African-American" about their contempt for America based on a history no one alive had anything to do with. Just keep that big ass chip on your shoulder till you're tired of the extra weight. I'm not knocking it off for you. I'm just turning around and walking away. Cheers.
 
Point that out. Point out where conservatives have embraced the diversity of the American people .. and I'll point out where they've stood in the door trying to block it.

Do you believe that it's just bad luck that the right is so rejected by America's diverse population?

I don't think it's coincidence at all that so many people with your attitude find the republican message of personal responsibility to be repulsive.

But I'm outta here. Got a game to watch. :)
 
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African American refers to ancestry, not country. If it referred to country, the country's name would be used. As it refers to ancestry, white South Africans can self-identify by their country of origin (South African Americans) but not by African heritage (African Americans). A white Kenyan could identify as a Kenyan American but not an African American, as (again) the latter reference is to ancestry.

How do north Africans, that aren't black, fit in there?
 
But white South Africans, born and raised by people born and raised there aren't?

Correct. Do you not understand that it's about ancestry, not nationality?
 
Correct. Do you not understand that it's about ancestry, not nationality?

I understand thats what you're making it. I don't agree with it. The reality is that it's more about culture than anything else, and South Africans of any skin tone are culturally different than Europeans.
 
Of.course we are all equal


As far as I'm concerned, the hyphen between two countries indicates someone needs to make up their mind which side of the hyphen they are and get jiggy wid' it. All the hyphen tells me is that being an American like everyone else, in your mind, isn't good enough for you. Either we drink at the same water fountains or we don't. Sooner or later, we're going to have to make up our mind whether we're all equal and all Americans or whether we aren't. If you're a hyphenated American, you are making yourself something else from the rest of us. And that's OK as long as you don't scratch your head wondering why you ge treated like you're something else from the rest of us. If you like drawing that line, then accept that a line has been drawn. I'm OK with that then. We have lots of people here that aren't really Americans and I don't begrudge any of them being here as long as they're here legally. You don't have to love this country to live in it.
 
I don't think he hates America and wants to leave. He seems to be proud his kid is serving in the military.

I think he is trying to say that some people started using the label for particular reasons relating directly to US history.



That pretty much confirms what I thought your position about this says about your attitude toward this country. But like I said, you don't have to love or respect it to live here. That's freedom.
 
I don't think he hates America and wants to leave. He seems to be proud his kid is serving in the military.

I think he is trying to say that some people started using the label for particular reasons relating directly to US history.

The KKK likes to use a label that directly relates to US history, too, but I don't give them high marks for their contribution because of it, either.
 
Why are you mentioning responsibility? What is he failing to take responsibility for?

I just don't follow your point or how you read into his post.



I don't think it's coincidence at all that so many people with your attitude find the republican message of personal responsibility to be repulsive.

But I'm outta here. Got a game to watch. :)
 
I understand thats what you're making it. I don't agree with it. The reality is that it's more about culture than anything else, and South Africans of any skin tone are culturally different than Europeans.

Not the white South Africans I've met.
 
Haiti is not part of Africa. I wouldn't jump to call them African myself.

African American is most likely just an American cultural thing. There is a reason for it.

Obama's father was African-American, because he came from Africa and spoil women in America. But Obama himself just American, though he has a dark skin. He is born of an American woman, and therefore he is an American.

I was at Herman Cain rally in Washington. There I spoke to black Republicans that the nickname "African-American" offensive. They are not "African-American". They are "American-American." They agreed with me.
 
But white South Africans, born and raised by people born and raised there aren't?

Heck, if one was born in Africa and comes to the good old usa, they are indeed African-Americans if they want to be hyphenized or just plain Americans if they don't. It is up to them I guess. If someone comes to America from China, Thailand, India, they are all Asian-Americans, why should someone from Africa be any different. All one has to do is look at a map.
 
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