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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Oh man, I couldn't be further from PC if I had to. Thus, me calling a white south African, an African American. Figured that might stir up the pot a bit.
    Because it's every bit as realistic as calling a black man who has never lived in Africa, never had any relatives in recent memory from Africa, an African American. I have a friend who is black but came from Haiti and he gets mad when people tell him he's African American. If anything, he's Haitian-American.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wait a minute, I'm very PC and proud of it. I see PC as social intellectualism. Nonetheless, I see no harm in someone recognizing their ancestry. I don't see it as a divider but a celebration of diversity.
    No wonder you have such bizarre beliefs.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're a mutt. There is no such thing as Italian-Irish Americans.
    Wait a minute, didn't you just say that it's a celebration of diversity to identify where your ancestors came from? Now you're telling him there's no such thing as Italian-Irish Americans? I guess it only counts for diversity when you apply it to minorities, huh?
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wait a minute, I'm very PC and proud of it. I see PC as social intellectualism. Nonetheless, I see no harm in someone recognizing their ancestry. I don't see it as a divider but a celebration of diversity.
    I see PC as intellectual timidity. It allows people to abdicate responsibility to call a spade a spade.



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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Some are having a debate about the language right now, its not impossible or meaningless.



    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Thanks for your vote, I guess.

    The truth is, it is meaningless. What a group or individual chooses to call themselves doesn't change who/what they are. They are welcome to take on any title they like.

    The fact that using a term like Native American completely ignores or maybe even attempts to distort the definition of the word is just a fun point to pick at. The truth is that politics has so badly distorted the language already makes it useless to pretend there is a serious debate to be had about it.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Culturally ignorant? Please. Historically ignorant? Oh boy, let's have a debate, this will be comical. First off, it's a melting pot. I know you'd love to see every flag of the world waved in America, just to show how we are special little snowflakes and oh so accepting, I would just like to see the stars and stripes. You know, since this is America...the lack of nationalism in the left is absolutely baffling. Is it so bad to be American? The phrase "I'm an American" is like mental pepper spray to the lockstep liberal.
    The problem with your argument is that you're not asking for embracing. You're asking for assimilation. People can still maintain their cultural inheritance and still embrace it everyday. Which is what most people do. Giving up cultural inheritance for the sake of 'Murica (assimilation) is nonsense. Now, you can keep going on about your "debate" but there is no debate here. You want people to give up their cultural inheritance for the sake of an America which has never asked them to do so. Ever. The Irish weren't asked to give up their heritage. They haven't. The Asians haven't either. The only people you seem to have a bone with are blacks who care enough about their heritage to call themselves African-American.

    Now, this is all aside from the fact that historically African-Americans can be considered second only to Native-Americans in terms of ties to this country. So what are you mad about? Self labeling? It's not like African-Americans are going around wearing dashikis and beating drums. So what is it about this self labeling that bothers you so much? Do you not get a news channel to keep you occupied with important matters?

    As mentioned, I was raised by a Sicilian and an Irishman, that upon getting citizenship, no longer referred to themselves as the such.
    Good for them. Everyone else doesn't have to give up their heritage simply because your "parents" decided they were no longer Sicilian & Irish. Actually, most people haven't given up on their cultural inheritance. Which is what I guess bothers you so much. Free country though. Deal with it. People label themselves based on the history of their people. My history isn't the same as a Native American's. I don't label myself a "Native-American". My history isn't the same as an Irish American's. So I don't label myself an Irish American. Don't really care about who does or doesn't either.

    Recognized the melting pot ideology that made this country great, and embraced it with both arms (like real Americans do). I am far more "cultured" (if that's what you call traveling to foreign places, eating food, seeing historical objects/sites/buildings/artwork, I just call it traveling and eating) than you give me credit for, I've seen, well quite a bit. Been quite a few places. There's no-place like home. Home is not where your ancestors or parents came from...it's here.
    Read first comment.

    My parents call themselves American. What's your excuse? Embrace your country, I promise, it's not so bad.
    Embracing =/= assimilate. Your demand is for people to assimilate. Not embrace.

    and what the hell was I baiting? Someone clue me in here. Catalyzing a conversation many don't want to have isn't baiting.
    Read your last statement in the OP.
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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    I have not always liked the way the Colin Powell has been treated, especially by Rush. And even if he was associated with the Bush administration, he seemed highly respectable and principled. I liked him more than Cheney and Bush.

    He stepped down as Secretary of State, whereas Rice continues to defend the Bush administration. I think that that's going to be her problem.

    Most politicians do get attacked for breaking from the party, but I think Colin Powell really is a good asset for the GOP. Or at least he was, until some attacked him.

    But I agree with what you're saying, it is sad to watch. I have seen black liberals and conservatives attack each other here with pretty awful insults. I don't understand it. I don't understand why some white people engage in it like they do either.

    At some point, they are just arguing that other party is the more racist party.








    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Sounds about right. Before Obama, Clinton was known affectionately as "the first black president" by blacks, and it was a designation Clinton truly seemed flattered and honored to have.

    As a black republican (currently a very frustrated one), blacks affiliated with the GOP as seen as traitors. The exceptions are Colin Powell and JC Watts. I thinks it's an automatic assumption that if you're black and a republican you're trying to disassociate politically and possibly otherwise with other blacks, when that's not always the case. Once you start standing up for blacks within the GOP as did Powell and Watts when pertainant issues arose, you get your black person credentials back . Then, unfortunately white republicans label you a RINO and accuse you of "using te race card." Either way, you can't win so just be true to your convictions.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Often times it is needed to have an intellectual conversation without disrespectfully, inflaming people. If you use inflammatory language or talk like a partisan hack, then people focus on your language and words instead of the merit of your arguments.

    But certain people on DP have no merit or arguments, and they are pretty much begging to be flamed.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I see PC as intellectual timidity. It allows people to abdicate responsibility to call a spade a spade.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    It's hard to believe that people just give up their culture.

    Maybe his parents started calling themselves American instead of Irish and Sicilian, but its hard to believe that he just threw away all their cultural ties. Its a huge part of one's identity. How does somebody just suddenly stop being Sicilian and start being American?

    Its just impossible in what I have seen in my own parents.




    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem with your argument is that you're not asking for embracing. You're asking for assimilation. People can still maintain their cultural inheritance and still embrace it everyday. Which is what most people do. Giving up cultural inheritance for the sake of 'Murica (assimilation) is nonsense. Now, you can keep going on about your "debate" but there is no debate here. You want people to give up their cultural inheritance for the sake of an America which has never asked them to do so. Ever. The Irish weren't asked to give up their heritage. They haven't. The Asians haven't either. The only people you seem to have a bone with are blacks who care enough about their heritage to call themselves African-American.

    Now, this is all aside from the fact that historically African-Americans can be considered second only to Native-Americans in terms of ties to this country. So what are you mad about? Self labeling? It's not like African-Americans are going around wearing dashikis and beating drums. So what is it about this self labeling that bothers you so much? Do you not get a news channel to keep you occupied with important matters?



    Good for them. Everyone else doesn't have to give up their heritage simply because your "parents" decided they were no longer Sicilian & Irish. Actually, most people haven't given up on their cultural inheritance. Which is what I guess bothers you so much. Free country though. Deal with it. People label themselves based on the history of their people. My history isn't the same as a Native American's. I don't label myself a "Native-American". My history isn't the same as an Irish American's. So I don't label myself an Irish American. Don't really care about who does or doesn't either.



    Read first comment.



    Embracing =/= assimilate. Your demand is for people to assimilate. Not embrace.



    Read your last statement in the OP.

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    Re: Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have not always liked the way the Colin Powell has been treated, especially by Rush. And even if he was associated with the Bush administration, he seemed highly respectable and principled. I liked him more than Cheney and Bush.
    Ask the women and children of My Lai what they think about Colin Powell. Oh, wait -- you can't. Most of them are dead.

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