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Thread: Should Voting be Confidential?

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    Should Voting be Confidential?

    One of the reasons we are given to vote is that it's a personal responsibility that you have to yourself and to those around you. My position is that the system is set up to absolve voters of any responsibility for their vote from the moment they cast it, by giving voters total anonymity for their choices, thereby absolving them of all responsibility for decisions made by the person they voted for. That being the case, the idea that voting is some sort of a responsibility that people have seems like a complete fallacy.

    When you vote in a national election, you are casting a vote to influence the lives of millions upon millions of other people. If I vote for a man who will send your son to fight in a foreign country that poses no threat to our nation and your son ends up dying as a result, do you not think you should have some right to at least know who I am? If I vote for a man who decides to fix a current financial crisis by committing your unborn children to a lifetime of debt, shouldn't those unborn children one day have the right to at least know the names of the millions of people who voted for these debts to be placed on them before they were even born?
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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    One of the reasons we are given to vote is that it's a personal responsibility that you have to yourself and to those around you. My position is that the system is set up to absolve voters of any responsibility for their vote from the moment they cast it, by giving voters total anonymity for their choices, thereby absolving them of all responsibility for decisions made by the person they voted for. That being the case, the idea that voting is some sort of a responsibility that people have seems like a complete fallacy.

    When you vote in a national election, you are casting a vote to influence the lives of millions upon millions of other people. If I vote for a man who will send your son to fight in a foreign country that poses no threat to our nation and your son ends up dying as a result, do you not think you should have some right to at least know who I am? If I vote for a man who decides to fix a current financial crisis by committing your unborn children to a lifetime of debt, shouldn't those unborn children one day have the right to at least know the names of the millions of people who voted for these debts to be placed on them before they were even born?
    The short answer is yes. At least in elections the danger from government reprisal is too dangerous and would be a bad idea.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The short answer is yes. At least in elections the danger from government reprisal is too dangerous and would be a bad idea.
    They already know how you vote. That's what all the targeted campaigning is about these days. It's how Silver was able to predict every state in the last election. It's how gerrymandering works. Hell, the NSA definitely keeps a copy of how you vote.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The short answer is yes. At least in elections the danger from government reprisal is too dangerous and would be a bad idea.
    If they are willing to take vengeance upon those who vote against them, then they are also willing to find out who those people are. They certainly have the technical capability to do so.

    I don't have a solid opinion one way or the other on whether the US government (I'm not American or in America btw) keeps tabs on who votes for who, but it seems like you're saying that they would be willing break laws by lashing out at those who vote against them, but not willing break privacy laws to find out who voted against them in the first place. I think that is illogical. Either both are independently safe, or both are already being broken.
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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    They already know how you vote. That's what all the targeted campaigning is about these days. It's how Silver was able to predict every state in the last election. It's how gerrymandering works. Hell, the NSA definitely keeps a copy of how you vote.
    Silver knows how groups of people vote based on demographic and regional trends, not how individuals vote. It's not terribly hard to predict, although he does it better than most.
    Gerrymandering is the same. There's nothing wrong with knowing how groups of people tend to vote.

    I seriously doubt the NSA is keeping track of individual votes.
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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I seriously doubt the NSA is keeping track of individual votes.
    I'm inclined to agree with this, but it's evidently not for lack of technical capability, which means it's purely out of respect for law. And that begs the question; if they can be trusted not to check who we voted for, why can't they be trusted not to punish those who vote against them if they do know? And what about the millions of people who already openly declare their allegiance to one party or another? Are they being punished when their party loses an election? If not, what makes you think it would suddenly change?
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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Voting should be confidential. Too many dangerous people out there who easily resort to violence when they know who to target for exercising their right to vote in a democratic society. I still remember the time growing up where you didn't talk about your vote or who you supported. It was a private matter, and you took pride in your participating in the process.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    We tried public voting. It lead to some rather horrible abuses.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    The secret ballot enables free and fair elections. Imagine if, for example, a union got hold of how people voted, and then pressured workplaces to fire people who voted for the party they didn't support. You think politics is corrupt now?
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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    To what end? What practical purpose do you foresee in knowing how individuals voted? I can only really see the negative ones, threatening people if they don't vote in a particular way and the like. Legitimate methods of convincing people to vote the way you think they should don’t require knowledge of their specific individual intentions or voting history.

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