View Poll Results: Should voting be anonymous?

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  • No, people should be held accountable for their decisions

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Thread: Should Voting be Confidential?

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I've spent many years researching voting systems, as I personally believe they are almost all horrifically unjust and unethical, but that's not what the thread is about. It's the specific issue of whether people should have a right to know who their fellow human beings voted for. I wasn't expecting much support for my notion that ballots should be public, I'm just interested in reading people's opinions on the subject and the reasons behind them.
    I tend to distrust power and like it controlled more and individuals less. Though the controls in the US on power are pretty good this must be watchfully kept so. Rights and freedom are quickly lost.
    This does not mean that there are no situations under which the optimal solution is attained by open voting and outweigh the negatives.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Do you think people would be less inclined to vote if they thought they might have to justify their decision and be held accountable for it? And do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing?
    Please define what you mean by being accountable for a vote, and to whom would that accountability be justified. Sounds creepy to me.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Pol Pot had absolutely nothing what so ever to do with the subject at hand.
    Pol Pot has everything to do with the subject. Walk out to those field memorials, close your eyes, and imagine how many more he could have slaughtered in your country if only he knew who they supported.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I don't think you really believe that secret ballots alone can guarantee freedom.
    Neither would mandatory public ones. With secret ballots, individual voters have a free choice whether to be open about who they voted for or not.

    I still don't see any strong practical argument in favour of a change.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Please define what you mean by being accountable for a vote, and to whom would that accountability be justified. Sounds creepy to me.
    Well, lets give a semi metaphorical example:

    Lets say I have some bills to pay and not enough money to pay them. I apply for a credit card, but as I have crappy credit, I put the credit card in the name of your son, who will be born in a few years. He will be expected to work to pay off the money I used to pay my bills with.

    When he grows up, does he at least have a right to know the name of the person who's bills he's paying, the person who made a conscious decision to place him in debt before he was even born?

    Now take the same example back to a national level: You vote for someone to do these things to other people's children. Do the history books not have a right to even know who you are?
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Pol Pot has everything to do with the subject. Walk out to those field memorials, close your eyes, and imagine how many more he could have slaughtered in your country if only he knew who they supported.
    1. It's not my country, though I have a close enough connection to it to be offended by the absurdity of your statement.
    2. Do some research on what actually happened. He killed anyone and everyone that had an education. They killed people simply for wearing glasses, because it was a sign that you could read and were educated. He couldn't have cared less who you voted for, the fact you could read well enough to vote in the first place was reason enough for execution. If you'd like to bring up the subject during a debate when it's relevant I'd be happy to discuss it, but again, it has nothing to do with the subject here.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Please define what you mean by being accountable for a vote, and to whom would that accountability be justified. Sounds creepy to me.
    I know! Like, would I have to be held accountable in the middle of the night, the doors to my house being knocked down, and I pulled from my bed and dragged into the streets to receive a Minni Mandela ring necklace of fire?

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    I know! Like, would I have to be held accountable in the middle of the night, the doors to my house being knocked down, and I pulled from my bed and dragged into the streets to receive a Minni Mandela ring necklace of fire?
    My theory is that less people would vote, and those that did vote would do so after considering how they would justify it. I believe that would have a massively positive outcome. People make better decisions when they know other people will be aware of them.

    With regards to being held accountable, I simply mean in the same way as those who make their political affiliations public now are held accountable. History often condemns political leaders for their actions, why shouldn't it condemn the people who made it happen?
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Anonymous ballots prevent voter intimidation. No way in hell should this be changed.

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    Re: Should Voting be Confidential?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Anonymous ballots prevent voter intimidation. No way in hell should this be changed.
    The bit I'm still confused about is why you'd think that laws can prevent the government from finding out who you voted for, but that those same laws can't prevent the government from intimidating you if they do know. If you're so willing to believe that they'd break that second law, why not the first as well? And do you at least see any sort of reasoning behind the notion that full transparency can actually help prevent intimidation and discrimination?
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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