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Thread: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because a jury of those uneducated in medical treatment will hear a sob story and decide it should have been treated if you refuse. So many ERs set the triage bar for emergencies low.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You decide you need a little fresh air, so you go outside for a little stroll. Because you don't expect to be out long, or do anything of note, you leave without your wallet or purse and have no identification on you.

    While you're walking, a car goes out of control, jumps the curb and mows you down. You're knocked unconscious and you have several life-threatening injuries. An ambulance quickly arrives, scoops you up and brings you to the hospital where they have no idea who you are or if you are able to pay for the care you need.

    Should the hospital treat you or should they wait until they can make certain you can your bill for the care they're going to give you?

    Just a refresher for some of the more important points:

    1) You're at the hospital
    2) You're unconscious
    3) The hospital has no idea who you are of it you can pay
    4) You're dying
    In this scenario the hospital should treat you right away. Since you were hit by a car that was out of control, it wouldn't be you paying for your treatment anyway. At least not in a perfect world. The owner of the car's insurance company should be paying the bills. This leaves the hospital two payment options. Either the car owners insurance or you if you recover. Those are at least better odds than other scenario's.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Can't they just call the NSA with the ID# on the chip in your brain?

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Cool story, bro!
    Nice sarcasm, now try actually working in an ER sometime and come back and apologise to me and vesper on this because you have it all wrong.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nice sarcasm, now try actually working in an ER sometime and come back and apologise to me and vesper on this because you have it all wrong.
    If someone on the internet says so, then it must be true!
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If someone on the internet says so, then it must be true!
    Precisely the problem will your arguments here. None are backed up by the real world. But in the end, it doesn't matter what you believe chattering in the echo chamber, sooner or later you'll experience it firsthand. You or someone you love will go to an ER and find it packed and you'll be waiting for hours. You'll try to find a primary care doctor and discover there is indeed a massive shortage. You'll get old enough to receive Medicare but won't be able to find a doctor in your area to accept it.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    It's a bit of a nonsensical question since you're unconscious and they can't determine if you can pay unless they stabilize you and ask. Therefore yes, they should save your life and then ask before doing more than that.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Precisely the problem will your arguments here. None are backed up by the real world. But in the end, it doesn't matter what you believe chattering in the echo chamber, sooner or later you'll experience it firsthand. You or someone you love will go to an ER and find it packed and you'll be waiting for hours. You'll try to find a primary care doctor and discover there is indeed a massive shortage. You'll get old enough to receive Medicare but won't be able to find a doctor in your area to accept it.
    Nonsense. My claims are backed by the facts, such as how there are now more doctors accepting Medicare.

    You, on the other hand, are claiming that ER's are providing non-emergency care because they are afraid of being sued. Yet, you haven't posted any hard evidence that this is actually happening in the real world.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nonsense. My claims are backed by the facts, such as how there are now more doctors accepting Medicare.

    You, on the other hand, are claiming that ER's are providing non-emergency care because they are afraid of being sued. Yet, you haven't posted any hard evidence that this is actually happening in the real world.
    Your claims are not backed by facts or reality, at least the reality of those who actually work in the ERs. As for medicare, ask your grandparents to educate you on their experience, maybe you'll believe them over what you're hearing on the internet by folks who have no connection with the problem but have a stake in you believing everything is coming along nicely.

    There are folks here on this forum who actually work, or have, in hospitals, actually work, or have, in the healthcare field - they all say the same thing I've been telling you.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your claims are not backed by facts or reality, at least the reality of those who actually work in the ERs. As for medicare, ask your grandparents to educate you on their experience, maybe you'll believe them over what you're hearing on the internet by folks who have no connection with the problem but have a stake in you believing everything is coming along nicely.

    There are folks here on this forum who actually work, or have, in hospitals, actually work, or have, in the healthcare field - they all say the same thing I've been telling you.
    Keep pretending that you speak for the entire medical community. I'm starting to fall for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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