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Thread: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Except to remind you both, they will still go to the ER and try to convince the admitting personnel it's an emergency. Why, because they won't have the co-pay to see their primary doctor, not to mention having to come up with the deductible. Don't pay your primary doctor, you have to go looking for another primary doctor. Don't pay the ER and you can still go back to the ER with a genuine emergency.

    Our government seems incapable of thinking like a person without money.
    In the hospital where I work, they have managed to cut a good bit of er abuse out, with a pretty stringent triage system. The patients are triaged, with a basic assessment and workup done, and if you don't meet emergency criteria, then you are referred to a case manager, who tells you that you must pay up front, or you won't be seen further. It seems to work fairly well from what I can tell.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Sure, they can try.

    But people don't get thousands and thousands of dollars of emergency treatment by fooling the ER staff. ER's across the nation knowingly and willingly treat people for non-emergency conditions.
    Yes they do, most of it by hospital policy to avoid lawsuits, the true lifeblood sucker.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes they do, most of it by hospital policy to avoid lawsuits, the true lifeblood sucker.
    Nope. It's not done to avoid lawsuits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    In the event of option #2, or missing a payment on option #1's plan, the patient has committed theft so they should be arrested just as one that removes an item from a store without paying for it would be. The idea that "society" must simply eat the cost of care by paying ridiculous prices when they can pay for care, to cover the losses incurred for those that will not pay, is insane.
    Theft is taking someone's property without consent or permission of that person with the intent of depriving that person of that property.The patient who received emergency medical care did not take the hospital's property without consent or permission of the hospital.It anyone took the medical care without consent or permission of the hospital it was the government.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nope. It's not done to avoid lawsuits.
    I can tell you with authority it is indeed. Again we were talking about why some ERs treat non-emergency conditions.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    In the hospital where I work, they have managed to cut a good bit of er abuse out, with a pretty stringent triage system. The patients are triaged, with a basic assessment and workup done, and if you don't meet emergency criteria, then you are referred to a case manager, who tells you that you must pay up front, or you won't be seen further. It seems to work fairly well from what I can tell.
    Hi Lizzie,
    My daughter is an RN who works in the ER. And she is totally stressed out due to the overflow of patients pouring into the ER. Most are sick but the majority tend to be people who can not get into see their family doctor for weeks. And because the hospital is cutting back due to the new laws pertaining to Obamacare, there is also a shortage of staff. She explained to me many of these people are on Medicare and Medicaid. Many doctors in private practice are choosing not to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients due to the cuts in Obamacare in payment as they already receive a fraction of what doctors/hospitals are reimbursed from private insurance. And add to that the additional costs to the physicians to cover all the bureaucratic red tape government insurance comes with and it is like operating in the red with these patients. Those doctors that do accept Medicare and Medicaid are overbooked and waiting periods to get in to see a doctor can be several weeks. This is sending more folks to the ER for treatment. We have got doctors around my area who have opted out of Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare and strictly operate on cash, check and credit cards and ironically their fees are about 50% less than those who do accept the above mentioned. They have cut the number of patients they see and in doing so are able to see a patient without delay. I am not surprised to see this happening in my area because the program that Obamacare was designed around is Romneycare implemented in 2006 in Massachusetts and for the past few years they have been experiencing doctor shortages for the very same reasons. In Mass. most people have insurance but many do not have doctors.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I can tell you with authority it is indeed. Again we were talking about why some ERs treat non-emergency conditions.
    Right, we were talking about non-emergency care. ER's have no obligation to provide non-emergency care, so how can they avoid lawsuits by providing non-emergency care?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Hi Lizzie,
    My daughter is an RN who works in the ER. And she is totally stressed out due to the overflow of patients pouring into the ER. Most are sick but the majority tend to be people who can not get into see their family doctor for weeks. And because the hospital is cutting back due to the new laws pertaining to Obamacare, there is also a shortage of staff.
    What new ACA rules are causing these cutbacks? AFAIK, ACA is funding new staffers

    She explained to me many of these people are on Medicare and Medicaid. Many doctors in private practice are choosing not to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients due to the cuts in Obamacare in payment as they already receive a fraction of what doctors/hospitals are reimbursed from private insurance.
    The # of doctors who accept Medicare and Medicaid have been increasing. Sounds like she doesn't know what she's talking about

    And add to that the additional costs to the physicians to cover all the bureaucratic red tape government insurance comes with and it is like operating in the red with these patients.
    There is no "govt insurance" other than Medicare and Medicaid, and there is no additional "bureaucratic red tape". However, there are additional payments being made to hospitals under ACA, which is the exact opposite of what your sister (if she exists) is claiming


    Those doctors that do accept Medicare and Medicaid are overbooked and waiting periods to get in to see a doctor can be several weeks. This is sending more folks to the ER for treatment. We have got doctors around my area who have opted out of Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare and strictly operate on cash, check and credit cards and ironically their fees are about 50% less than those who do accept the above mentioned. They have cut the number of patients they see and in doing so are able to see a patient without delay. I am not surprised to see this happening in my area because the program that Obamacare was designed around is Romneycare implemented in 2006 in Massachusetts and for the past few years they have been experiencing doctor shortages for the very same reasons. In Mass. most people have insurance but many do not have doctors.
    Yes, doctors are cutting their fees *and* seeing less patients. That's why sending on health care is going up!

    And the # of doctors who are practicing is at a record high, and ACA funds thousands of additional residencies for both doctors and nurses as well as providing $15billion for new community health centers
    Last edited by sangha; 12-04-13 at 02:34 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What new ACA rules are causing these cutbacks? AFAIK, ACA is funding new staffers



    The # of doctors who accept Medicare and Medicaid have been increasing. Sounds like she doesn't know what she's talking about



    There is no "govt insurance" other than Medicare and Medicaid, and there is no additional "bureaucratic red tape". However, there are additional payments being made to hospitals under ACA, which is the exact opposite of what your sister (if she exists) is claiming




    Yes, doctors are cutting their fees *and* seeing less patients.

    And the # of doctors who are practicing is at a record high, and ACA funds thousands of additional residencies for both doctors and nurses as well as providing $15billion for new community health centers
    In support:

    Report: More Doctors Accepting Medicare Patients
    The number of physicians accepting new Medicare patients rose by one-third between 2007 and 2011 and is now higher than the number of physicians accepting new private insurance patients, according to a Department of Health and Human Services report obtained by USA TODAY. In 2007, about 925,000 doctors billed Medicare for their services. In 2011, that number had risen to 1.25 million, according to the report by the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation (Kennedy, 8/22).

    Source:
    Report: More doctors accepting Medicare patients

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What new ACA rules are causing these cutbacks? AFAIK, ACA is funding new staffers



    The # of doctors who accept Medicare and Medicaid have been increasing. Sounds like she doesn't know what she's talking about



    There is no "govt insurance" other than Medicare and Medicaid, and there is no additional "bureaucratic red tape". However, there are additional payments being made to hospitals under ACA, which is the exact opposite of what your sister (if she exists) is claiming




    Yes, doctors are cutting their fees *and* seeing less patients. That's why sending on health care is going up!

    And the # of doctors who are practicing is at a record high, and ACA funds thousands of additional residencies for both doctors and nurses as well as providing $15billion for new community health centers
    First off, the person is my daughter not my sister.
    Second here in Ohio we have the Cleveland Clinic, I am sure you are familiar with them. Here is a link breaking down why Cleveland Clinic had to cut back due to Obamacare.

    Is Obamacare really to blame for cuts at the Cleveland Clinic and other hospitals? | cleveland.com

    The number of doctors limiting or no longer accepting Medicare patients has been increasing over the past couple of years.

    If You're on Medicare, the Doctor May Not See You Anymore | National Review Online

    The shortage of doctors is real

    Obamacare, doctor shortage could crash health care system - CNN.com
    Editorial: Western Massachusetts doctor shortage in critical condition | masslive.com

    And I fear it will get even worse with the number of people currently enrolling on Medicaid.

    What good is insurance if you can't get in to see a doctor?

    Edit- And you are dead wrong to believe there are no other added costs to doctors and hospitals over the bureaucratic red tape involved with government insurance. They have to hire a staff of people just to deal with all the crap. Not to mention increase the size of the office space for them to work. Do you think that all comes free too? Like Rock Candy Mountain?
    Last edited by vesper; 12-04-13 at 03:06 AM.

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