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Thread: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That bit about the hospital absorbing the cost is not true. Even if the person doesn't have the ability to pay right now, it's like any other debt - it doesn't just disappear if you can't pay it.
    True. Unless they declare bankruptcy, their debt survives. However, while the hospital waits to collect it, they bump up the price for everyone else to make up for the uncollected debt.

    However, that doesn't add to the total cost of health care. Whether the cost is paid by the recipient, or passed on to others, it's still the same cost. No matter who pays the bill, that care is expensive. The issue is that isn't why the care is so expensive in the first place.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That bit about the hospital absorbing the cost is not true. Even if the person doesn't have the ability to pay right now, it's like any other debt - it doesn't just disappear if you can't pay it.
    It doesn't disappear, but the hospital absorbs the cost and takes a loss.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No doubt it's expensive.

    Yet, many other nations have the same requirement but don't have the high costs we have. That indicates, at least to me, that EMTALA is not the cause of our high costs for medical care.
    I don't know what the actual numbers are, but will see if I can find any data that seems reliable. As for other nations, it wouldn't surprise me if they don't go to the extremes to keep people alive, that we do here. We spend a lot of money on long-term chronic care, and very aggressive ICU treatment.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    From my view the high cost of hospital care in the US, the two largest culprits are lawsuits and kickass equipment that doesn't run on hamster wheel.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Life threatening injuries? Absolutely they should be treated.

    No ifs, buts or maybes.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True. Unless they declare bankruptcy, their debt survives. However, while the hospital waits to collect it, they bump up the price for everyone else to make up for the uncollected debt.

    However, that doesn't add to the total cost of health care. Whether the cost is paid by the recipient, or passed on to others, it's still the same cost. No matter who pays the bill, that care is expensive. The issue is that isn't why the care is so expensive in the first place.
    That's why I find it amusing that so many people are complaining about Obamacare. They are having to pay now, because the unpaid bills by people without insurance get passed on to them in the form of higher treatments, or $8 Tylenols. I thought the whole purpose of ACA was to help keep people out of the ER by getting them regular medical treatment, like those of us who are insured are already getting.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't know what the actual numbers are, but will see if I can find any data that seems reliable. As for other nations, it wouldn't surprise me if they don't go to the extremes to keep people alive, that we do here. We spend a lot of money on long-term chronic care, and very aggressive ICU treatment.
    I agree, but that's a bit of a different problem than the EMTALA requirement.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    That's why I find it amusing that so many people are complaining about Obamacare. They are having to pay now, because the unpaid bills by people without insurance get passed on to them in the form of higher treatments, or $8 Tylenols. I thought the whole purpose of ACA was to help keep people out of the ER by getting them regular medical treatment, like those of us who are insured are already getting.
    Correct

    One way or another, we have always been paying to care for people who couldn't afford to pay for it themselves.

    And yes, the problem with the expense of ER's is not the expense of providing treatment for emergencies. It's the cost of providing non-emergency care for people who go to ER's because they can't get an appt to see a regular doctor because they have no insurance.
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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Correct

    One way or another, we have always been paying to care for people who couldn't afford to pay for it themselves.

    And yes, the problem with the expense of ER's is not the expense of providing treatment for emergencies. It's the cost of providing non-emergency care for people who go to ER's because they can't get an appt to see a regular doctor because they have no insurance.
    Except to remind you both, they will still go to the ER and try to convince the admitting personnel it's an emergency. Why, because they won't have the co-pay to see their primary doctor, not to mention having to come up with the deductible. Don't pay your primary doctor, you have to go looking for another primary doctor. Don't pay the ER and you can still go back to the ER with a genuine emergency.

    Our government seems incapable of thinking like a person without money.

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    Re: Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Except to remind you both, they will still go to the ER and try to convince the admitting personnel it's an emergency. Why, because they won't have the co-pay to see their primary doctor, not to mention having to come up with the deductible. Don't pay your primary doctor, you have to go looking for another primary doctor. Don't pay the ER and you can still go back to the ER with a genuine emergency.

    Our government seems incapable of thinking like a person without money.
    Sure, they can try.

    But people don't get thousands and thousands of dollars of emergency treatment by fooling the ER staff. ER's across the nation knowingly and willingly treat people for non-emergency conditions.
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