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Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

Is Obama a good president?


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I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.
 
Absolutely the worst President in my lifetime and that includes Jimmy Carter and Nixon.
 
It appears unanimous. Time to close the thread and move along.
 
Did you forget G.W. (Mission Accomplished.)Bush?

He made my retirement, can't put him in there. Best bonuses I ever made were during those 8 years.
 
Place your bets now.
I'm not certain yet. I'll have to look back at some similar polls to see what it might look like. You should also include the disclaimer that no animals were harmed in the creation of the poll. Also, many butts will be hurt during the polling process. There will be a butt hurt tent set up for treatment in the Basement.
 
Generally speaking - he's no better and no worse than any previous president over the last few decades.
That's not a compliment or praise no matter how it's sliced.

The ACA will be the final nail in the coffin for pushing him off the fence one way or the other.
It's too early to tell how that's going to pan out, but the road has sure looked ominous so far.

(I did not vote for Obama in either election)
 
Too soon to tell, to be honest, but I chose average. Obama is neither so far the best nor likely to be the worst. He is a good speaker, is well educated and intelligent, but he does not seem to be able to control even his own party in congress or manage to select very good help to run the executive functions of the federal govt. I would grade him a D so far.
 
Polls and studies that I have seen place him in the middle range of all U.S. Presidents.

I doubt that he will ever be rated the best, but he's certainly not the worst.

Those polls and studies mean nothing as long as he is in the white house. Hell, they won't mean anything for at least a decade after to be honest. Things like Obamacare and Iran Deal will determine where he ranks in the scheme of things.
 
Those polls and studies mean nothing as long as he is in the white house. Hell, they won't mean anything for at least a decade after to be honest. Things like Obamacare and Iran Deal will determine where he ranks in the scheme of things.




Correct, but this thread is here now.

I do agree that we won't have a good read on Obama or G.W. Bush for quite a few years.
 
I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.

I don't know about this string ending proper and dignified, but I would say this current president is about average for the presidents I have known and experienced since Eisenhower. You know you're getting old when one can remember 11 presidents and was born under the 12th. I would rank Bush the second and Obama in 7th and 8th place out of the 11 I experienced. They, both of them would only be ahead of Nixon, Ford and Carter. This is my opinion
 
Correct, but this thread is here now.

I do agree that we won't have a good read on Obama or G.W. Bush for quite a few years.

i agree; it's too soon.

all i can really say about Obama is that the other choices really, really sucked. first it was an unapologetic hawk who bordered on a war monger. the next choice was an out of touch plutocrat. Obama has done a couple things i liked, such as scaling down the wars and not getting heavily involved in a new one (though the jury is still out on that.) also, i like that he fought for health care reform, though the final compromise is a POS and should have been vetoed. his stimulus also saved my ass, and i was able to afford COBRA because of it. he also doesn't seem to be actively going after the states that legalized pot.

on the negative side, he's been fairly bad on civil liberties, continuing the patriot act; the NSA, et cetera. he signed the unworkable PPACA, tossing it to for profit health insurance corporations and leaving in place the employer specific system. also, there's a chance he won't pull the troops out of Afghanistan, and this option shouldn't even be considered.

i guess i'm still forming an opinion. right now, i like him better than Bush and not as much as Clinton.
 
Those polls and studies mean nothing as long as he is in the white house. Hell, they won't mean anything for at least a decade after to be honest.
Things like Obamacare and Iran Deal will determine where he ranks in the scheme of things.




Correct.

And we won't know how either one of those turns out for quite a while.
 
I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.

In some ways his Administration reminds me of that of Buchanan, which isn't a favorable association, but Buchanan would have been a great president if he occupied a more relaxed time period. The truth is, we are at a point in history where our politicians aren't *allowed* to be effective leaders and defenders of the public interest -- only pandering demagogues and special interest cronies. Once the issue of the Republican Party's continuing existence is resolved one way or another, that situation may change.

A key difference between Buchanan and Obama is that Obama *tried* to be the strong executive America needs, but neither his party, nor the special interests, nor the opposition, nor the American people as a whole, allowed him to.

We can't have a great president "in spite" of everyone. Leaders have to draw upon the will and resources of the entire nation in order to achieve anything. It would be like a general trying to win the war with his own troops mutinying.
 
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i agree; it's too soon.

all i can really say about Obama is that the other choices really, really sucked. first it was an unapologetic hawk who bordered on a war monger. the next choice was an out of touch plutocrat. Obama has done a couple things i liked, such as scaling down the wars and not getting heavily involved in a new one (though the jury is still out on that.) also, i like that he fought for health care reform, though the final compromise is a POS and should have been vetoed. his stimulus also saved my ass, and i was able to afford COBRA because of it. he also doesn't seem to be actively going after the states that legalized pot.

on the negative side, he's been fairly bad on civil liberties, continuing the patriot act; the NSA, et cetera. he signed the unworkable PPACA, tossing it to for profit health insurance corporations and leaving in place the employer specific system. also, there's a chance he won't pull the troops out of Afghanistan, and this option shouldn't even be considered.

i guess i'm still forming an opinion. right now, i like him better than Bush and not as much as Clinton.

My thoughts are very similar to yours. I also credit Obama with gay equality progress such as eliminating DADT and supporting SSM.

But he surely is disappointing (I voted for him in 2008 enthusiastically but by 2012 I had lost interest in him). He would have been gone if Romney hadn't been such an unappealing alternative and if the Repubs hadn't chewed each other to pieces during the selection process.

Better than Bush2, much less than Clinton.

Disappointing but not catastrophic. I hope.
 
My thoughts are very similar to yours. I also credit Obama with gay equality progress such as eliminating DADT and supporting SSM.

But he surely is disappointing (I voted for him in 2008 enthusiastically but by 2012 I had lost interest in him). He would have been gone if Romney hadn't been such an unappealing alternative and if the Repubs hadn't chewed each other to pieces during the selection process.

Better than Bush2, much less than Clinton.

Disappointing but not catastrophic. I hope.

yeah, i forgot to add gay civil rights in there.

there were points in the 2012 race where i thought he could lose. phoning in that first debate really hurt him, but the 47 percent thing was just too much for Romney to get past.
 
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