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Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

Is Obama a good president?

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calamity said:
Assad is not part of the conversation. So, I'm not sure what you are asking. Do I want Assad to drop dead of a horrible disease or catch a bullet in the groin? Sure. The sooner the better. But, what's your point?
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So you do or you don't want Assad to fail?
You must sense you're in too deep to actually answer the question, huh.
 
calamity said:
He's less fail than the two Bushes. Did we analyze how each of them "got to positions he was not qualified"?
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Let's discuss qualifications.

George HW Bush: Vice President under Reagan...Director of the CIA...Congressman from Texas

George W Bush: Governor of Texas...Partner in family oil business...part-owner of Houston Rangers Baseball team

Barach Obama: Community Organizer in Chicago...Law Professor at U of Chicago Law School; Ill. Senator for 3 years, resigned when elected POTUS.

I fail to see how you believe Obama was more qualified than either of the Bushes.

Greetings, Calamity. :2wave:
 
polgara said:
Let's discuss qualifications.

George HW Bush: Vice President under Reagan...Director of the CIA...Congressman from Texas

George W Bush: Governor of Texas...Partner in family oil business...part-owner of Houston Rangers Baseball team

Barach Obama: Community Organizer in Chicago...Law Professor at U of Chicago Law School; Ill. Senator for 3 years, resigned when elected POTUS.

I fail to see how you believe Obama was more qualified than either of the Bushes.

Greetings, Calamity. :2wave:
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That's US Senator for three years.

Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:
 
polgara said:
Let's discuss qualifications.

George HW Bush: Vice President under Reagan...Director of the CIA...Congressman from Texas

George W Bush: Governor of Texas...Partner in family oil business...part-owner of Houston Rangers Baseball team

Barach Obama: Community Organizer in Chicago...Law Professor at U of Chicago Law School; Ill. Senator for 3 years, resigned when elected POTUS.

I fail to see how you believe Obama was more qualified than either of the Bushes.

Greetings, Calamity. :2wave:
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I neglected to mention that GHW Bush also served two years as Ambassador to China, having been appointed by Nixon in 1974.
 
bubbabgone said:
So you do or you don't want Assad to fail?
You must sense you're in too deep to actually answer the question, huh.
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And, like I said, who the hell cares about Assad? What does his failing or not have to do with this thread?
 
There are 25 factors which Congress should impeach Obama. 9 of them are very serious violations of the Constitution. Even if Obama was really a good president, no one in our country is above the Constitution. But Obama violates the Constitution not with good intentions, and for the destruction of our country.
 
calamity said:
I don't completely disagree with this assertion. But, when you have a hyperpartisan congress that can't get it's ass off dead-center, it is a legitimate excuse for the executive branch to use and point at it to say, "Lookie there."
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oh sure. Even Harry Truman called them 'do nothing" Congress.
It's just lame that Obama leans on this, so very often.
 
calamity said:
Except of course when people start out by saying he would not be president if he was not Black. I guess in your mind, those arguments are exempt. :roll:
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Usually after you've brought up his race.
 
loader said:
There are 25 factors which Congress should impeach Obama. 9 of them are very serious violations of the Constitution. Even if Obama was really a good president, no one in our country is above the Constitution. But Obama violates the Constitution not with good intentions, and for the destruction of our country.
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And yet, the Republican controlled House of Representatives refuses to impeach him. Why?
 
loader said:
There are 25 factors which Congress should impeach Obama. 9 of them are very serious violations of the Constitution. Even if Obama was really a good president, no one in our country is above the Constitution. But Obama violates the Constitution not with good intentions, and for the destruction of our country.
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And yet, the Republican controlled House of Representatives refuses to impeach him. Why?

Contact your Congressman and tell him you want Obama impeached!

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY WANTS TO HEAR FROM YOU!

District Office

123 Grand Street
2nd Floor
Newburgh, NY 12550
Phone: 845-561-1259
Fax: 845-561-2890
 
haymarket said:
My vote went to AVERAGE.

I worked free of charge for the campaign in the last months of the 08 campaign and I had very high hopes that we would see the second coming of Franklin Roosevelt and the Hundred Days. When I saw the big majorities he had in both houses of Congress and his appointment of Rahm Emanuel to be Chief of staff - my hopes soared even higher.

What I have gotten in return is a series of disappointments and let downs. Sure - a Republican would have been ten times worse if he allowed his right wing to pull him by the nose. But the only real thing Obama has accomplished is the health care law and even that is a watered down version of a republican idea to begin with.

We will see six years of very little actually being accomplished and I fault his first two years and his timidity to go head to head with the conservatives for that. He had the nation behind him. He had the numbers in Congress. And he blew it pure and simple.

Yes, I give him good marks for economic recovery to some degree. That is his positive progress and it is no small accomplishment given that the right wing was willing to keep the economy in the tank just to have Obama fail. So that is a positive area.

The only thing separating him from a failed Jimmy Carter presidency is a giant failure issue like the Olympic boycott which marred and scarred Carter. If that happens in the next three years, he could go from AVERAGE to FAILURE.
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I think this is a reasonable assessment. The only real place I would differ significantly is that I see what economic recovery we have had thus far is more a part of the natural up and down cycle and less anything he or his administration has done.
 
polgara said:
Let's discuss qualifications.

George HW Bush: Vice President under Reagan...Director of the CIA...Congressman from Texas

George W Bush: Governor of Texas...Partner in family oil business...part-owner of Houston Rangers Baseball team

Barach Obama: Community Organizer in Chicago...Law Professor at U of Chicago Law School; Ill. Senator for 3 years, resigned when elected POTUS.

I fail to see how you believe Obama was more qualified than either of the Bushes.

Greetings, Calamity. :2wave:
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polgara said:
I neglected to mention that GHW Bush also served two years as Ambassador to China, having been appointed by Nixon in 1974.
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Being President of the United States is a job not like any other job in the whole wild world. There were on 42 people who had the job before Obama. Experience? Bah humbug, it means nothing. Nobody has the experience to hold the job, in my opinion, it's all OJT.
 
pbrauer said:
Being President of the United States is a job not like any other job in the whole wild world. There were on 42 people who had the job before Obama. Experience? Bah humbug, it means nothing. Nobody has the experience to hold the job, in my opinion, it's all OJT.
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:agree: You know, they seem to have schools for everything else... from West point to train our military leaders, to vocational schools to train our building trade people, to colleges for scientists and engineers, for medical schools to train our doctors an nurses...and so forth...yet no school to train our Presidents. It truly is OJT --for the most important job in the world! :wow:

Greetings, pbrauer. :2wave:
 
reinoe said:
And yet, the Republican controlled House of Representatives refuses to impeach him. Why?
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Exercise in futility? It would not pass the Senate, and everyone knows that with the current majority in place. I don't understand why the House can't clip his wings a bit, though, and take back the responsibilities and authority the Constitution granted them, which he has usurped in some cases, and ignored in others. Even the POTUS is not above the law!

Greetings, reinoe. :2wave:
 
radcen said:
I think this is a reasonable assessment. The only real place I would differ significantly is that I see what economic recovery we have had thus far is more a part of the natural up and down cycle and less anything he or his administration has done.
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Agreed, it's nice to see partisanship take a back seat and someone that supported him being willing to offer an honest assessment. Honestly, I'm always at a loss when liberals and progressives speak so highly of his administration. If I was a supporter, I would have felt cheated after his behavior during the HC debate
 
pbrauer said:
Being President of the United States is a job not like any other job in the whole wild world. There were on 42 people who had the job before Obama. Experience? Bah humbug, it means nothing. Nobody has the experience to hold the job, in my opinion, it's all OJT.
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While no one has the type of experience that makes a comfortable fit for the office, there are backgrounds that lend to the idea that they could handle the job. Obama started running before he even had a full year in the senate, and really had nothing to make him stand out prior to that.

In fact, his entire campaign was basically built on his ability to deliver emotional, yet largely superficial, speeches
 
annata said:
Can't lay that all in Obama's lap, but I do agree he rides the hyperpartisan divide solely for political advantage/excuse making
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Of course, but I think that as president that is a part of his job, to bring both parties together and try to get things done. He has been pretty inept at it, but yeah the reps are also pigheaded. I understand that each party has to represent their constituents, but sometimes compromises have to be made for the good of the country.
 
reinoe said:
And yet, the Republican controlled House of Representatives refuses to impeach him. Why?

Contact your Congressman and tell him you want Obama impeached!

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY WANTS TO HEAR FROM YOU!

District Office

123 Grand Street
2nd Floor
Newburgh, NY 12550
Phone: 845-561-1259
Fax: 845-561-2890
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Thank you.
 
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annata said:
oh sure. Even Harry Truman called them 'do nothing" Congress.
It's just lame that Obama leans on this, so very often.
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I think the obstruction in this congress is beyond anything we've seen in the past.

14 reasons why this is the worst Congress ever - The Washington Post
This week, the House of Representatives voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act. On its own, such a vote would be unremarkable. Republicans control the House, they oppose President Obama's health reform law, and so they voted to get rid of it.

But here's the punchline: This was the 33rd time they voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

...the 112th Congress is no ordinary congress. It's a very bad, no good, terrible Congress. It is, in fact, one of the very worst congresses we have ever had. Here, I'll prove it:
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loader said:
Senate belongs to Democrats.
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So Republicans are willing to let a perceived criminal go without justice? Even the mark of an impeachment can bring an out of control president to heel. Why are Republicans refusing to even try to do their jobs?
 
Grover Cleveland had the right kind of experience to become president: being president.

We need H.W. Bush again!
 
calamity said:
I think the obstruction in this congress is beyond anything we've seen in the past.

14 reasons why this is the worst Congress ever - The Washington Post
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the lack of legislation is overshadowed by the enormous growth of the regulatory agencies.
I saw Fox Report (the only Fox show I watch), and it said 117 laws passed by Congress, but 3700 new regulations.

People do not understand the "4th branch of gov't". They wield expansive power, and are passing reg, that have the force of law.
Another indicaton of the Unitary POTUS.
So what does it say about this Congress? Well, the 112th Congress is the most polarized since the end of Reconstruction
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from your link.
Which is the real story of DC, practiced by both sides.
 
reinoe said:
So Republicans are willing to let a perceived criminal go without justice? Even the mark of an impeachment can bring an out of control president to heel. Why are Republicans refusing to even try to do their jobs?
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Impeach him? Not that I consider that a viable option, but even if they decided to go forth with those proceedings, he would be out of office long before any kind of action was taken.
 
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