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Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

Is Obama a good president?

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loader said:
Barack's mother was American.
And wherever he was born and where he lived, if he has not renounced U.S. citizenship, he is American citizen. To my great regret.
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There ya to. No apply the same critical thinking skills to the death of Bin Laden, and you'll lay to rest that particular conspiracy.
 
Grant said:
Why? It seems central to Obama's getting where he got today.

"He [Harry Reid] was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one".

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." --Joe Biden on Barack Obama

“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.” Geraldine Ferraro
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The Right is obviously race-obsessed, if they are still bringing up those old quotes from 2008 and whining about Obama's grades from who knows when.
 
calamity said:
The Right is obviously race-obsessed, if they are still bringing up those old quotes from 2008 and whining about Obama's grades from who knows when.
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It was the Left who said all those things, including this. “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.” Geraldine Ferraro

I only quoted Democrats. Barrack Obama won the Presidential nomination for the same reason he won the Nobel Peace Prize. "Old quotes" from 2008 is just five years ago.
 
pbrauer said:
IOW, he's the best president in the 21st century. It's because of Bush we have a $17 trillion debt today. Unpaid for Medicare "D", Iraq war and the Bush Tax cuts.
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Unless you haven't been paying attention, the debt run up occurred in the present administration, not the Bush administration.

My understanding is that the national debt added in this administration has nearly equaled all the national debt accumulated by all the other administrations combined.

This seems to me as an alarming sign that something needs to be done. Obama hasn't done it, nether has the Democratic Senate. He's not promoted it, nether has the Democratic Senate. He and the Democratic Senate have shutdown the government to try and prevent spending decreases. How is this not the height of fiscal irresponsibility?
 
calamity said:
No argument. We aren't leaving Iraq because of anything Obama did. However, he also didn't do anything stupid to keep us there or, worse, dig us in deeper. Ditto Afghanistan.


Yes. But...McCain would have made it worse and Romney seemed to think attacking Iran was an essential part of the American defense strategy.
Romney Wants To Attack Iran To Prevent A Dirty Bomb - The Daily Beast

And, there's more than one source saying this stuff.
Why Does Mitt Romney Want to Bomb Iran? | The Nation

So, Obama is clearly the best of the available options. I know I'm not ready to go to war with Iran. Who's next for the Hawks? North Korea?
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much agreement.
disagree on Afganistan, where Obama is being sucked into a long term presence, even after 'AQ Central' (Pakistan) has been significantly degraded.
All we ever had to do there was go after AQ, and not buy into Obama's "surge/no surge" where he compromised on the escalation,
and at the same time announcing a withdrawl date.

Can't split the baby in 2 in war, and a simple counter-terrorism strategy would have been fine, instead of nationbuilding Afg.

without a doubt Mccain would have been worse, the man is a rabid war dog, and gawd only knows where we'd be now.
Remember this one?

 
Grant said:
It was the Left who said all those things, including this. “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.” Geraldine Ferraro

I only quoted Democrats. Barrack Obama won the Presidential nomination for the same reason he won the Nobel Peace Prize. "Old quotes" from 2008 is just five years ago.
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He won the Nobel Prize for NOT being George W. Bush.
 
Kobie said:
He won the Nobel Prize for NOT being George W. Bush.
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Then we all qualified, along with every other candidate, for Nobel Peace Prizes.

Or maybe you're just trying to find a rational for this craziness. Give it more thought and you might do better than this.
 
bubbabgone said:
You're clearly referring to the Administration's successful effort to serially lie about the impact of Obamacare before the election ... and that's a good point.
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Nonsense. Romney lost because Mitt from the Primary could not hide fast enough when we got to the general. As a result, he looked like a disingenuous flip flopper. There were other issues, but that was the biggie. Americans simply didn't believe his schtick. So, they went with the devil they knew.

All the RW whining about ACA is hilarious btw. Of all the problems with Obama, that's not the one people outside of Fox Noise get excited about. It's another Benghazi--no big deal for anyone but the faux outragers.
 
Obama won reelection because a lot of stupid people voted for him. After OCare, it will prob be decades before another Dim occupies the WH.
 
Grant said:
And you thought John McCain was announcing his foreign policy??
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I took it as an indication he was a loose cannon. More recently,remember him meeting with so called "freedom fghters" in Syria? He posed with AQ.

Or this little goodie:

 
Grant said:
Then we all qualified, along with every other candidate, for Nobel Peace Prizes.

Or maybe you're just trying to find a rational for this craziness. Give it more thought and you might do better than this.
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Come on, you're not THAT dumb.

Obama winning the Nobel was designed as a clear repudiation of Bush's policies. Nobody can be as intellectually ignorant as to claim he won it because he's black.
 
Perotista said:
No we don't agree on how we would rank them and that is okay as that is a personal thing. As I said views on issues vary and what is important to one isn't to another. IKE would be my number one if I was rating presidents from him forward. JFK has always been my number two, but I think having lived through his assassination and Camelot, that I rate him more on potential than what he actually did. I think up and until that day in Dallas, most Americans trusted their government and most Americans would have said the American dream is alive and well, we have one heck of a bright future. After Dallas all that changed.
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Thread worthy in its own right. Did American Dream Die in Nov '63?

Clinton was be number three and Reagan four. For some reason both of these guy could connect with the people and most Americans like them regardless of what scandal they were in. Both I would say both were uniters. What I didn't like about Reagan was he talked liked a fiscal conservative and then spent like there was no tomorrow. Most people believed the rhetoric and not their eyes. Reagan and the balanced budget amendment seem to me as him say, please stop me from spending more as I can't stop myself.
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Clinton was brilliant. My #2, right behind Ike.

Reagan had too many failures: AIDS, Iran-Contra, tripling the Debt, catering to the religious right, way too much military spending--he was the Anti-Ike. But...he also had some good points, especially the part about changing our nation's sour mood after the disaster of Carter.

To me both LBJ and Nixon are ahead of Obama and Bush II. I think without Vietnam LBJ would have been ranked by historians as a near great president up there with Truman, Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt. Nixon without Watergate, well look at what he did, He opened up Red China, I do not think any other president could have done that. He gave us the EPA, OSHA, the Endangered species Act, funds for education, revenue sharing, detente, and much more. For the life of me, this man governed like a liberal and perhaps was the most liberal president since FDR and hence, yet most people still call him a conservative. Why? Nixon was also all for Affirmative Action and did quite a lot on that scene too. Perhaps most people just can't get past the R and the D when it comes to labeling.

Both of us are pretty close to each other, but there are differences and I think that is because we place different emphasis on different things.
Just for the heck of it, here is mine from IKE to Obama and remember Obama is more of an incomplete and can rise and fall depending on what happens over the last three years of his presidency.
1. Eisenhower
2. JFK
3. Clinton
4. Reagan
5. LBJ
6. Bush I
7. Nixon
8. Bush II
9. Obama
10. Carter
11. Ford

I would say Obama and Bush II are basically tied at this point for me. I think outside Libya when Obama refused to go to congress, I really like his foreign policy so far. Domestically, for me he hasn't been that hot.
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I completely forgot about Ford. So we agree there. :)
 
ChrisL said:
I judge him on his performance, which quite frankly stinks.
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Actually it doesn't. So there.

He's won some biggies, lost some as well, and made no mark at all on much else. Hence, average.
 
calamity said:
Nonsense. Romney lost because Mitt from the Primary could not hide fast enough when we got to the general. As a result, he looked like a disingenuous flip flopper. There were other issues, but that was the biggie. Americans simply didn't believe his schtick.
So, they went with the devil they knew.
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All the RW whining about ACA is hilarious btw. Of all the problems with Obama, that's not the one people outside of Fox Noise get excited about. It's another Benghazi--no big deal for anyone but the faux outragers.
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That's the thing ... the devil had to hide ... devils do that a lot ... so Americans would be willing to stick with the status quo.
There's no other reason for the BS lies about Benghazi and Obamacare and the IRS and the NSA and Syria.
Can you think of one?
It's pretty much settled that he had to lie to get re-elected.
There's really no point denying it, clam.
A Centrist wouldn't deny it.
 
Grant said:
It was the Left who said all those things, including this. “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.” Geraldine Ferraro

I only quoted Democrats. Barrack Obama won the Presidential nomination for the same reason he won the Nobel Peace Prize. "Old quotes" from 2008 is just five years ago.
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"Race obsessed", you prove it by mining a quote from an angry Hillary supporter who is now dead. Lame.
 
annata said:
much agreement.
disagree on Afganistan, where Obama is being sucked into a long term presence, even after 'AQ Central' (Pakistan) has been significantly degraded.
All we ever had to do there was go after AQ, and not buy into Obama's "surge/no surge" where he compromised on the escalation,
and at the same time announcing a withdrawl date.

Can't split the baby in 2 in war, and a simple counter-terrorism strategy would have been fine, instead of nationbuilding Afg.

without a doubt Mccain would have been worse, the man is a rabid war dog, and gawd only knows where we'd be now.
Remember this one?

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No doubt the handling of Afghanistan would be one area where Obama gets an F.
 
calamity said:
"Race obsessed", you prove it by mining a quote from an angry Hillary supporter who is now dead. Lame.
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NOBODY on this board -- NOBODY -- brings up Obama's race more than you do.

His race, of course, is entirely irrelevant to his performance as President and criticism thereof.
 
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calamity said:
There ya to. No apply the same critical thinking skills to the death of Bin Laden, and you'll lay to rest that particular conspiracy.
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I do not advocate "conspiracy theories", but agreed issues arise.
 
reinoe said:
Except I never voted for Obama, who is now teh worst president ever even though his presidency isn't even over yet.

Also I'm mocking you and your ridiculous claims by saying every Dem president is teh worst president ever.
You're becoming unhinged and it's hilarious!
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I didn't say every so again you lie, lying so far is your top trait
 
Kobie said:
Wanna bet?
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Nah, I never bet where stupid people are involved. However, I figure some percentage of those morons lost their health insurance and are paying triple for worse policies.

No doubt will have some impact on the next elections. Even idiots wise up when their ignorance costs them money.
 
calamity said:
Thread worthy in its own right. Did American Dream Die in Nov '63?


Clinton was brilliant. My #2, right behind Ike.

Reagan had too many failures: AIDS, Iran-Contra, tripling the Debt, catering to the religious right, way too much military spending--he was the Anti-Ike. But...he also had some good points, especially the part about changing our nation's sour mood after the disaster of Carter.


I completely forgot about Ford. So we agree there. :)
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Yep, for me Ford was a no brainier. Although I wonder about Carter sometimes if I haven't done him a disservice by ranking him so low. But then I come to my senses.
 
calamity said:
Actually it doesn't. So there.

He's won some biggies, lost some as well, and made no mark at all on much else. Hence, average.
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Obviously, you ignored all of his failures that I pointed out in other posts, and another big one is that he is incapable of bringing both sides of the aisle together to get anything accomplished. So in addition to all of the other things I mentioned, he is also incredibly divisive. I don't remember ever seeing this country so divided.
 
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