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Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

Is Obama a good president?


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In other words, you have no proof.

actually it is proof to anyone who understands the process. If 1000 whites with far higher scores were turned down then Obama's race was a major reason for his acceptance

do you deny that affirmative action allows blacks with lower scores to get in ahead of whites with higher scores?
 
I just don't understand why they've never been available when, in the modern political world, "everybody else's" has been.

Wrong. No president ever released their school records (Bush's records were leaked). Hell, Romney even refused to release a comprehensive history of his tax records.
 
do you deny or agree that if Obama had been an academic superstar in HS or College, we'd been shown the transcripts?

should we ask every presidential candidate for their college transcripts?

besides i think transcripts are something that require the permission of the transcript's owner.
 
actually it is proof to anyone who understands the process. If 1000 whites with far higher scores were turned down then Obama's race was a major reason for his acceptance
You have no proof that this actually happened.

do you deny that affirmative action allows blacks with lower scores to get in ahead of whites with higher scores?
No
 
should we ask every presidential candidate for their college transcripts?

besides i think transcripts are something that require the permission of the transcript's owner.

yeah you proved my point
 
So, now a thread which is about Obama's presidency has degenerated into discussing whether or not his race got him into Harvard.

Translation: The right has nothing but racist innuendo.
 
So, now a thread which is about Obama's presidency has degenerated into discussing whether or not his race got him into Harvard.

Translation: The right has nothing but racist innuendo.

How is that racist (other than racial preferences are racial discrimination)
 
we do know your messiah didn't graduate with any honors from Columbia

He's not my Messiah. I tagged him as average several pages ago, said he was about Reagan caliber.
 
How is that racist (other than racial preferences are racial discrimination)

Because AA is a red herring that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
 
Wrong. No president ever released their school records (Bush's records were leaked). Hell, Romney even refused to release a comprehensive history of his tax records.

College transcripts aren't the same as tax records. And Bush's transcript wasn't leaked; it and Gore's were obtained by WaPo.
 
Because AA is a red herring that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

actually its important. One of Obama's many major failures is his attitude of entitlement-an attitude that was cultivated as a younger man due to affirmative action
 
Because AA is a red herring that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

That's right. The thread is about whether Obama is a good President. Demonstrably, he is not, and it really doesn't matter if he has three Ivy League doctorates or a Bachelor's in Basket-Weaving.
 
That's right. The thread is about whether Obama is a good President. Demonstrably, he is not, and it really doesn't matter if he has three Ivy League doctorates or a Bachelor's in Basket-Weaving.

its a given he's a bad president. we have to examine why so much fail. I think its because he got to positions he was not qualified for and his race was a major reason for that
 
its a given he's a bad president. we have to examine why so much fail. I think its because he got to positions he was not qualified for and his race was a major reason for that
He's less fail than the two Bushes. Did we analyze how each of them "got to positions he was not qualified"?
 
He's less fail than the two Bushes. Did we analyze how each of them "got to positions he was not qualified"?

GHWB probably had the strongest resume of ANYONE who was elected President. W, not as much but he was rated very highly as a GOVERNOR of one of the most populous states in the Nation-which is far more impressive than what Obama had
 
He's less fail than the two Bushes. Did we analyze how each of them "got to positions he was not qualified"?

I'm sorry--what do either Bush or Clinton or Gore or Kerry or anybody else have to do with whether Obama's been a good President?
 
That's right. The thread is about whether Obama is a good President. Demonstrably, he is not, and it really doesn't matter if he has three Ivy League doctorates or a Bachelor's in Basket-Weaving.
Sour Grapes is why you Conservatives think he is a bad president. He beat your candidates twice, by quite a bit, IIRC.

Not bad for an average president.

BTW: THe second term is your fault. It took real effort to lose to Obama the second time.
 
Yeah I guess they were able to predict that a crooked judge would wipe out his GOP senate opposition many years after he applied for the law school

sorry. law school admissions are based on what you bring to the table when you apply-not what a soothsayer can see 15 years down the road

and Obama's main qualification was he was black

Oh and weren't you one of the posters who used to claim Bush was stupid?

Never claimed Bush was stupid; just intellectually lazy.

Admissions to a school such as Harvard is complex; its isn't about raw scores. There are a lot of factors that enter into the equation, including leadership potential.

The Ivy's have affirmative action for Ivy and elite undergrads... You need a higher GPA from a state school or 2nd/3rd tier school to compete with those that have the Ivy or blue chip background... Being a legacy applicant (George and various Kennedy's) helps a lot as well.

In the end, though, its silly to suggest that Obama was unqualified to go to Harvard as in school and post graduate record rebuts any real argument to the contrary. It just seems rather petty for a person to get hung up on this.
 
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I'm sorry--what do either Bush or Clinton or Gore or Kerry or anybody else have to do with whether Obama's been a good President?

Gore and Kerry were never presidents. You may want to read up on that. As for the others, it is prudent to compare one president to the others in order to determine where he stands. Are you judging Obama in a vacuum?
 
GHWB probably had the strongest resume of ANYONE who was elected President.
Agreed, But, he sucked at the job.

W, not as much but he was rated very highly as a GOVERNOR of one of the most populous states in the Nation-which is far more impressive than what Obama had
Agreed, but he also sucked as president. Obama, OTOH, is average.
 
Sour Grapes is why you Conservatives think he is a bad president. He beat your candidates twice, by quite a bit, IIRC.

Not bad for an average president.

BTW: THe second term is your fault. It took real effort to lose to Obama the second time.

No, I think Obama's a bad President because I have observed his service to our country for five years. I like sticking to facts. I didn't vote for him the first time because his major views are oppositional to mine and because he didn't have much of a track record.

Now he does, and it's a lousy one. He zigs when he should zag, and he doesn't appear to learn from his mistakes. Oh, and then there's that little campaign promise about transparency. Remember that?
 
Never claimed Bush was stupid; just intellectually lazy.

Admissions to a school such as Harvard is complex; its isn't about raw scores.

The Ivy's have affirmative action for Ivy and elite undergrads... You need a higher GPA from a state school or 2nd/3rd tier school to compete with those that have the Ivy or blue chip background...

In the end, though, its silly to suggest that Obama was unqualified to go to Harvard as in school and post graduate record rebuts any real argument to the contrary.

uh wrong-what he did in Law school has no relevance to his admission

My college roommate freshman year had perfect board scores. He had the highest GPA in the history of one of the elite prep schools. He won two national mathematics competitions that were open to HS students through PhD students. His application-according to an associate director of admissions I used to play squash with-the strongest of the several thousand Yale Received for the Class of 1981.

he never made it through Freshman year. Boredom and cocaine were too much to overcome. he never ever graduated.

Using your logic, Yale shouldn't have admitted him because he ended up dropping out and never earning a degere-anyplace
 
No, I think Obama's a bad President because I have observed his service to our country for five years. I like sticking to facts. I didn't vote for him the first time because his major views are oppositional to mine and because he didn't have much of a track record.

Now he does, and it's a lousy one. He zigs when he should zag, and he doesn't appear to learn from his mistakes. Oh, and then there's that little campaign promise about transparency. Remember that?
Well...Reagan was napping while his minions were trading arms for hostages, and then he awoke to say his minions did not trade arms for hostages. **** happens. Sometimes **** happening is good: Obama saw our SEALS get Osama; Reagan saw the USSR begin to sink.

Obama is average, like Reagan.
 
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