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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I was thinking about this, and you must admit, after finding out that Clinton is giving women "the cigar" in the White House, how can he be respected as a world leader after an incident like that? I believe she (Monica) was the target of much vitriol too.
    I don't think it hurt him in his standing with other world leaders. A lot of them have or had their mistresses on the side. Regardless, Bill was the leader of the free world and any sex scandal didn't effect that one bit. Humor wise, now a lot of foreign papers had a ball with this thing and I don't blame them. You must remember the Flowers thing broke before his first election, then the Paula Jones thing, followed by Monica, Bill was a playboy no doubt about it. Perhaps one thing that helped him out was up until Reagan and perhaps a little later, that was when JFK's philandering, trysts or what ever was finally made public.

    The thing with Bill Clinton during the impeachment process, hearings and final senate vote from December of 1998 through February of 1999 his approval ratings started off at 63% in December and by the end of February his approval ratings rose to 66%. Perhaps those numbers reflect the witch hunt attitude of the public. I don't have the approval ratings of the Republicans in congress, but they really shrunk. In the end it was the republicans who were the villains, not Bill Clinton.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    well Obama's "post-partisan POTUS", lasted about as long as "the most transparent adm", etc. and other crapola Obam either deluded himself into thinking,
    or just mouthed off about without thinking.

    Obama is a shrewd political animal - he knows how to play the political blame game. Is it called for? Some of it yes; some of it is just deflection.

    I'm more domestically liberal then not, but I do have a problem with the regulatory agencies essentially creating law.
    Oh it's all constitutional -at least for now-

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    The rise of the 4th branch, and it's not a good idea; to just let regualtory agencies (EPA and such) write what is law in practice.
    They do not self-limit, they constantly expand ther roles.

    Obama would argue this is how to bypass the "obstructionists", and in the short term yhers it is.
    Long term it is anti-constitutional,if not wholly un-constitutional.
    Obama is the executive, and it's logical for an executive to glom up powers.

    I just do not like this rise of executive powers, but hey..Congress is such a mess I suppose things gotta get done.

    I do think you vastly overplay the race factor here -i'm sure it exists, but is not the nmajority reason to oppose Obama (IMHO)
    A lot of ugly racial stuff came out here in Appalachia and the Southern States during the 2008 campaign. My glasses are tinted such that I see racial division more often than not now as a result of what transpired from March through November of that year. When the Tea Party emerged shortly after the inauguration, it sure looked like it was comprised of mostly bands of angry racists white men to me.

    Using the executive branch to ram stuff forward was a Clinton initiative. He was the master of working around Gingrich and company. Obama is not nearly as slick. I suspect it's because he isn't as focused on details and doesn't put in as much time getting it done (maybe he is not as dedicated to the cause) as Bill and Hillary.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I was thinking about this, and you must admit, after finding out that Clinton is giving women "the cigar" in the White House, how can he be respected as a world leader after an incident like that? I believe she (Monica) was the target of much vitriol too.
    THat was a weird time and the incident clearly put a blemish on Clinton's presidency. IMO< it wasn't so much the sex, but the cover-up..and, yes, the painting of Linda Trip and Monica as conniving sniveling attention grabbers was a big part of what proved to us that Clinton was a jerk.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    A lot of ugly racial stuff came out here in Appalachia and the Southern States during the 2008 campaign. My glasses are tinted such that I see racial division more often than not now as a result of what transpired from March through November of that year. When the Tea Party emerged shortly after the inauguration, it sure looked like it was comprised of mostly bands of angry racists white men to me.

    Using the executive branch to ram stuff forward was a Clinton initiative. He was the master of working around Gingrich and company. Obama is not nearly as slick. I suspect it's because he isn't as focused on details and doesn't put in as much time getting it done (maybe he is not as dedicated to the cause) as Bill and Hillary.
    I actually went to a very early tea party rally (before it was co-opted by Freedomworks). It was an originalist crowd.
    Why i went, since I am a great believer that the demise of federalism ( to the gobble-de-gook nomenclature of "new federalism)
    is a reason the fed'l gov't powers are to the point they are choking off any semblance of co-sovereignity.

    For sure, there were those also concerned about the debt. And i'm sure there were a few haters in there too.
    I gave up, after the tea party became an wing of Dick Armey's group.

    Ther is legimate opposition to Obama, thee are racists, there are partisans. I can't really say the demographic breakdown in %'s
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't think it hurt him in his standing with other world leaders. A lot of them have or had their mistresses on the side. Regardless, Bill was the leader of the free world and any sex scandal didn't effect that one bit. Humor wise, now a lot of foreign papers had a ball with this thing and I don't blame them. You must remember the Flowers thing broke before his first election, then the Paula Jones thing, followed by Monica, Bill was a playboy no doubt about it. Perhaps one thing that helped him out was up until Reagan and perhaps a little later, that was when JFK's philandering, trysts or what ever was finally made public.

    The thing with Bill Clinton during the impeachment process, hearings and final senate vote from December of 1998 through February of 1999 his approval ratings started off at 63% in December and by the end of February his approval ratings rose to 66%. Perhaps those numbers reflect the witch hunt attitude of the public. I don't have the approval ratings of the Republicans in congress, but they really shrunk. In the end it was the republicans who were the villains, not Bill Clinton.
    I can't really say because I'm not familiar enough with his platforms regarding things like 2nd amendment issues, foreign policy, etc. I was just too young to really remember much about his presidency. That was before I was really interested in politics at all.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I can't really say because I'm not familiar enough with his platforms regarding things like 2nd amendment issues, foreign policy, etc. I was just too young to really remember much about his presidency. That was before I was really interested in politics at all.
    Must be nice to be a young one. I first got interested in politics watching the 1956 Democratic and Republican Conventions on TV. Back then a convention was big news as nothing was really decided prior to the convention. There were only around 10 primaries then with the rest of the states picking who they wanted to be their parties nominee via meetings with state party leaders. Of course in 1956, everyone knew IKE would be running again, but no one knew Stevenson would be chosen to be the democratic nominee.

    As a side JFK was running for VP that year and finally gave his try up at the convention when it became clear he could win the VP slot. Losing that and bowing out gracefully was probably the best thing that happen to him as he would win the 1960 nomination fairly easy over LBJ.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I actually went to a very early tea party rally (before it was co-opted by Freedomworks). It was an originalist crowd.
    Why i went, since I am a great believer that the demise of federalism ( to the gobble-de-gook nomenclature of "new federalism)
    is a reason the fed'l gov't powers are to the point they are choking off any semblance of co-sovereignity.

    For sure, there were those also concerned about the debt. And i'm sure there were a few haters in there too.
    I gave up, after the tea party became an wing of Dick Armey's group.

    Ther is legimate opposition to Obama, thee are racists, there are partisans. I can't really say the demographic breakdown in %'s
    Yeah. Like I said, I probably saw too many racists with vile pictures on posters and disgusting anti-Obama slogans in these parts early on. I'm sure they gave me a jaundiced view of all the Obama opposition which came later. Nonetheless, even without the racial considerations, I still think a lot of the Obama opposition is knee-jerk crazy, like calling him a Marxist, Fascist tax and spend liberal...statements that the facts just do not bear out.

    In my view, Obama is very average. Unlike Bush, someone who wore his religion on his sleeve and steered the nation toward the cliff because of it, Obama is probably not committed enough to any one cause to actually be bad.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Yeah. Like I said, I probably saw too many racists with vile pictures on posters and disgusting anti-Obama slogans in these parts early on. I'm sure they gave me a jaundiced view of all the Obama opposition which came later. Nonetheless, even without the racial considerations, I still think a lot of the Obama opposition is knee-jerk crazy, like calling him a Marxist, Fascist tax and spend liberal...statements that the facts just do not bear out.

    In my view, Obama is very average. Unlike Bush, someone who wore his religion on his sleeve and steered the nation toward the cliff because of it, Obama is probably not committed enough to any one cause to actually be bad.
    Well, we have yet to see with Obamacare.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Be careful...you don't want to come to the attention of the NSA or IRS.
    I have lived 40 years in the socialist concentration camp. With such experience, I have nothing to fear here.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Wow! 106 votes no!
    And pretty much all of them lend Right in their political ideology.
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