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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    I really couldn't vote in this poll.

    That extra o in "good" keeps throwing me.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I would definitely agree that the right wing has not contributed anything of value. Both parties suck is the bottom line here.
    I used to hate Democrats and only distrust Republicans; now I hate Republicans and distrust Democrats.

    Back in the 70's & 80's, Democrats were disconnected from reality. One look at the housing projects in Chicago or the subway system of NYC laid out the problems with Democratic logic. However, Tricky Dicky clearly demonstrated that the GOP could never be trusted.

    Flash forward to today. The GOP way can never lead to a coherent melting pot. Their coalition of the greedy and the anti-sexual freedom bible thumpers would never allow the masses to rise up from poverty and leave those who are different alone. In GOP paradise, atheists, gays, and the average laborer with minimal skills and low intelligence would remain marginalized forever. However, as we see with the Clintons, Pelosi, and Obama, the D's are sneaky and dishonest, often pushing their personal agenda and promoting their own fortunes on the down-low.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I used to hate Democrats and only distrust Republicans; now I hate Republicans and distrust Democrats.

    Back in the 70's & 80's, Democrats were disconnected from reality. One look at the housing projects in Chicago or the subway system of NYC laid out the problems with Democratic logic. However, Tricky Dicky clearly demonstrated that the GOP could never be trusted.

    Flash forward to today. The GOP way can never lead to a coherent melting pot. Their coalition of the greedy and the anti-sexual freedom bible thumpers would never allow the masses to rise up from poverty and leave those who are different alone. In GOP paradise, atheists, gays, and the average laborer with minimal skills and low intelligence would remain marginalized forever. However, as we see with the Clintons, Pelosi, And Obama, the D's are sneaky and dishonest, often pushing their personal agenda and promoting their own fortunes on the down-low.
    I feel that way about both parties. Too many extremists in both.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The Republicans were left looking like fools over their impeachment of Bill Clinton back in 1998 I think. It had all the marks of a partisan witch hunt and that is exactly how it came across to the majority of the American people. Of course the Republicans will say the impeachment was due to the fact he lied under oath. For every other American it occurred because of a BJ in the oval office.

    Political differences should not be used for impeachment.
    I was thinking about this, and you must admit, after finding out that Clinton is giving women "the cigar" in the White House, how can he be respected as a world leader after an incident like that? I believe she (Monica) was the target of much vitriol too.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh wrong-what he did in Law school has no relevance to his admission

    My college roommate freshman year had perfect board scores. He had the highest GPA in the history of one of the elite prep schools. He won two national mathematics competitions that were open to HS students through PhD students. His application-according to an associate director of admissions I used to play squash with-the strongest of the several thousand Yale Received for the Class of 1981.

    he never made it through Freshman year. Boredom and cocaine were too much to overcome. he never ever graduated.

    Using your logic, Yale shouldn't have admitted him because he ended up dropping out and never earning a degere-anyplace
    Had Yale had any indication that such would happen, surely he would not have been admitted.

    Yes, Yale and all of the Ivy's screen for the upside and downside of students and are quick to dismiss for character flaws and admit for character. The Ivy's have a very complex admissions algorithm. It isn't all about raw scores. You need sufficient raw scores, rather than the best raw scores. They want diversity in the student populace as well as they want to find students that will ultimately "do the school proud".

    Yale screwed up on your "buddy" (they don't get them all right); Harvard had a winner with Barack. Then again, one is Harvard and the other is not.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Congress got along fine after 911. But then Bush railroaded that bi-partisan bag of goodwill into Iraq and set it afire. In 2003, the GOP took control of congress and the presidency, and then they suddenly began ruling as if they owned the place.

    Once Obama won the presidency, the GOP publicly said their goal was to make him fail, be a one-term president. Since then they've bro ahut repealing ACA up for vote 30-plus times.

    Sorry. I pin most of this on the band of intolerance called the Righ Wing.
    lol.. what did you expect after a attack on US soil? Of course they 'all got along".

    There is a dearth of leadership in the Congress, the Tea party is surely out to blow up any compromise;
    but Harry Reid invoking the 'nuclear option', on Obama apppointments,
    and (more importantly to fill the DC Court of Appeals), is not going to help mend fences either.

    I've seen hyperpartisanship come and go but there was always a few grown-ups in Congress to try to work it thru.

    I do agree this batch is a bunch of whiners; what I am wondering if things were reversed, how the Dem's would act?
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I was a little young at the time, but I've heard that he did a lot of good things, like lowering the deficit and that we actually had a surplus for a time under his presidency.
    Bill did a lot of good things, in 2000 his last year in office the debt rose only 17 billion and it was reported that surpluses would rein for the next 15 years. Then came Bush II and the end of any surplus. When Clinton took office the deficit for 1992 was 347 billion and the debt stood at 4.411 trillion. When Clinton left office the deficit for 2000 was 17 billion and the national debt stood at 5.807 trillion. Bill came the first president to come this close to actually having a surplus since Eisenhower who had surplus in two of his eight years.

    I didn't particularly care for Clinton when he was in office, but as time goes by he looks better and better and in my lifetime I rank him as my number 3 president right behind IKE and JFK. Perhaps it is absents make the heart founder or it may be we just had two rotten presidents in a row. At least in my opinion. Bill passed Welfare Reform, something that no Republican would have been able to do, but he also got NAFTA and us joining the WTO which I disagreed with. But over all, yeah I would say he was a darn good president.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    lol.. what did you expect after a attack on US soil? Of course they 'all got along".

    There is a dearth of leadership in the Congress, the Tea party is surely out to blow up any compromise;
    but Harry Reid invoking the 'nuclear option', on Obama apppointments,
    and (more importantly to fill the DC Court of Appeals), is not going to help mend fences either.

    I've seen hyperpartisanship come and go but there was always a few grown-ups in Congress to try to work it thru.

    I do agree this batch is a bunch of whiners; what I am wondering if things were reversed, how the Dem's would act?
    I do not believe that the D's are as ideologically cohesive as the R's. However, if "President Palin" sat in the White House, they'd probably coalesce to oppose such a polarizing figure.

    Now, the question to ask is this. Is Obama as polarizing as Palin? I believe that for some, Obama is the worst ever possible president. He is, for them, what Palin would be for me: the epitome of what is wrong with America.

    Now, what may be worth exploring is the "why?" of it all.

    I dislike Palin, not because she is a woman, but because she is vindictive and vacuous, a rabble rouser who knows how to throw red meat to the racists and bigots. However, when it comes to Obama, I suspect the bulk of his haters simply see a Black Democrat in the WH, and that drives them crazy.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I feel that way about both parties. Too many extremists in both.
    Well, both parties are developing a strong split. The R split is very public-- a battle between the "old guard" and the Tea Party. THe D split is more quiet, but equally divisive: the Centrists are at odds with the Progressives.

    I'd love to see a third, call it the Moderate Party, evolve out of the two lumps of coal we currently have to choose from. But...I'm not holding my breath.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I do not believe that the D's are as ideologically cohesive as the R's. However, if "President Palin" sat in the White House, they'd probably coalesce to oppose such a polarizing figure.

    Now, the question to ask is this. Is Obama as polarizing as Palin? I believe that for some, Obama is the worst ever possible president. He is, for them, what Palin would be for me: the epitome of what is wrong with America.

    Now, what may be worth exploring is the "why?" of it all.

    I dislike Palin, not because she is a woman, but because she is vindictive and vacuous, a rabble rouser who knows how to throw red meat to the racists and bigots. However, when it comes to Obama, I suspect the bulk of his haters simply see a Black Democrat in the WH, and that drives them crazy.
    well Obama's "post-partisan POTUS", lasted about as long as "the most transparent adm", etc. and other crapola Obam either deluded himself into thinking,
    or just mouthed off about without thinking.

    Obama is a shrewd political animal - he knows how to play the political blame game. Is it called for? Some of it yes; some of it is just deflection.

    I'm more domestically liberal then not, but I do have a problem with the regulatory agencies essentially creating law.
    Oh it's all constitutional -at least for now-
    Today, in Arlington v. FCC, the Supreme Court held 6-3 that courts should confer Chevron deference to agency interpretations of ambiguous statutory provisions concerning the scope of agency jurisdiction
    Supreme Court Holds Chevron Deference Applies to Scope of Agency Jurisdiction | The Volokh ConspiracyThe Volokh Conspiracy

    The rise of the 4th branch, and it's not a good idea; to just let regualtory agencies (EPA and such) write what is law in practice.
    They do not self-limit, they constantly expand ther roles.

    Obama would argue this is how to bypass the "obstructionists", and in the short term yhers it is.
    Long term it is anti-constitutional,if not wholly un-constitutional.
    Obama is the executive, and it's logical for an executive to glom up powers.

    I just do not like this rise of executive powers, but hey..Congress is such a mess I suppose things gotta get done.

    I do think you vastly overplay the race factor here -i'm sure it exists, but is not the nmajority reason to oppose Obama (IMHO)
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