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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It does boil down to how this president handles the issues that are important to "me" and how his presidency so far has effected this country. Add to that a few other factors like who the other options were and how they would have handled those situations. Then, compare that to how other presidents have done in similar circumstances.

    Obama's biggest plus is riding out the "Great Recession" and doing what it took to keep it from becoming a depression. I think we were closer to disaster than the anti-Obamites here are willing to admit. Has employment rebounded quickly no. But, that is not a bad thing because too rapid of a change in employment usually triggers inflation. The recovery has been slow and steady.

    Obama's biggest minus is not finding a way to deal with the underclass. People are not being lifted up, education and employability of the bottom rungs are getting worse. This is a huge problem, and Obama was perfectly positioned to create strategies to achieve some hope and change in that area.

    Inbetween, we have a lot of this plus and minus stuff going on. In my mind they wash each other out. Hence, I judge him to be average.
    Average is what I voted too. But I don't play the what if game like if McCain had won or if Romney had won. They didn't and one never knows what they would have done as president or turned out to be better or worse. It is all speculation, Obama promised quite a lot of things back in 2008 that I took with a grain of salt, mainly because until the weight of the responsibility of the presidency is on your shoulders, what you say as a senator or candidate is theory and without consequences. Besides as a candidate one doesn't have the inside knowledge that the sitting president has and that knowledge can change drastically what one does when he sits in the Oval Office and not what one thought he would do.

    I think if one would be able to take off their dark red or blue colored glasses, stuff cotton in their ears to block out all the rhetoric and just look at how a president governs one wouldn't see all that much difference between this current president and the president who just preceded him. I personally would rate both as a bit below Average. But that would be with an asterisk next to Obama's name as he still has three years to go to either move up or down or stay the same.

    As of today if I had to rate these last two presidents with the presidents I have experienced and known, from Eisenhower on I can guarantee neither would be in my top 6.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    like it or not gays have the same objective right as others to marry in most states. that is a state issue not a constitutional issue. Marriage is not a "right" created or recognized by the constitution. I support gay marriage but I won't support someone who wants to create that constitutional right while ignoring rights that are clearly recognized by the constitution.
    I'd agree with that if not for the little column in the federal tax table called "Married filing jointly"

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Average is what I voted too. But I don't play the what if game like if McCain had won or if Romney had won. They didn't and one never knows what they would have done as president or turned out to be better or worse. It is all speculation, Obama promised quite a lot of things back in 2008 that I took with a grain of salt, mainly because until the weight of the responsibility of the presidency is on your shoulders, what you say as a senator or candidate is theory and without consequences. Besides as a candidate one doesn't have the inside knowledge that the sitting president has and that knowledge can change drastically what one does when he sits in the Oval Office and not what one thought he would do.
    Fair enough. We really do not have any way of knowing what McCain or Romney would have done if sitting in the oval office. We (the nation) voted for Obama, and he should be judged against presidents, not candidates.

    I think if one would be able to take off their dark red or blue colored glasses, stuff cotton in their ears to block out all the rhetoric and just look at how a president governs one wouldn't see all that much difference between this current president and the president who just preceded him. I personally would rate both as a bit below Average. But that would be with an asterisk next to Obama's name as he still has three years to go to either move up or down or stay the same.

    As of today if I had to rate these last two presidents with the presidents I have experienced and known, from Eisenhower on I can guarantee neither would be in my top 6.
    We probably do not agree here. Ike was good, as was Clinton. Nixon, both Bushes and Carter were terrible. Reagan and Obama were about the same. Kennedy... He was a bit like Obama. LBJ--like Nixon and Carter, at the bottom rung of the last 50 years.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yawn, the Obama love is strong Could you even vote in US elections? I thought you said you were Canadian. SO why so enamored with the failure in chief?
    There ya go again, 'just cuz I say so'. I don't have any Obama love. You just made that up. I consider him a weak President but still better than the Republican alternatives. If you're Republican you need to acknowledge your share of the blame.
    Yeah, I'm Canadian and being Canadian I'd rather see a Republican administration. Democrats, historically, have always been more isolationist, more protectionist and more warlike. But honestly, if the Repubs have been putting their best forward they're damn near bankrupt.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Barack's Birth Certificate looks funny too. Your point?
    Barack's mother was American.
    And wherever he was born and where he lived, if he has not renounced U.S. citizenship, he is American citizen. To my great regret.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Evidently you didn't think so when you made your original statement. Carter sucked and now Obama sucks even worse. I don't blame you though, if I had voted for that idiot I wouldn't want to admit it to anyone either.
    Except I never voted for Obama, who is now teh worst president ever even though his presidency isn't even over yet.

    Also I'm mocking you and your ridiculous claims by saying every Dem president is teh worst president ever.
    You're becoming unhinged and it's hilarious!
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Damn. 62 pages and 131 No with only 19 Yes.

    There is no arena in the world in which that would not be considered a landslide. An epic landslide of negative opinions of Obama. To put that in clear perspective, every eight or nine pages, no more, somebody came along and voted "Yes."

    The question is Why? Obama's not going to get any better.
    Last edited by Ray410; 12-23-13 at 03:50 AM.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Sour Grapes is why you Conservatives think he is a bad president. He beat your candidates twice, by quite a bit, IIRC.

    Not bad for an average president.

    BTW: THe second term is your fault.
    It took real effort to lose to Obama the second time
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    You're clearly referring to the Administration's successful effort to serially lie about the impact of Obamacare before the election ... and that's a good point.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Fair enough. We really do not have any way of knowing what McCain or Romney would have done if sitting in the oval office. We (the nation) voted for Obama, and he should be judged against presidents, not candidates.


    We probably do not agree here. Ike was good, as was Clinton. Nixon, both Bushes and Carter were terrible. Reagan and Obama were about the same. Kennedy... He was a bit like Obama. LBJ--like Nixon and Carter, at the bottom rung of the last 50 years.
    No we don't agree on how we would rank them and that is okay as that is a personal thing. As I said views on issues vary and what is important to one isn't to another. IKE would be my number one if I was rating presidents from him forward. JFK has always been my number two, but I think having lived through his assassination and Camelot, that I rate him more on potential than what he actually did. I think up and until that day in Dallas, most Americans trusted their government and most Americans would have said the American dream is alive and well, we have one heck of a bright future. After Dallas all that changed.

    Clinton was be number three and Reagan four. For some reason both of these guy could connect with the people and most Americans like them regardless of what scandal they were in. Both I would say both were uniters. What I didn't like about Reagan was he talked liked a fiscal conservative and then spent like there was no tomorrow. Most people believed the rhetoric and not their eyes. Reagan and the balanced budget amendment seem to me as him say, please stop me from spending more as I can't stop myself.

    To me both LBJ and Nixon are ahead of Obama and Bush II. I think without Vietnam LBJ would have been ranked by historians as a near great president up there with Truman, Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt. Nixon without Watergate, well look at what he did, He opened up Red China, I do not think any other president could have done that. He gave us the EPA, OSHA, the Endangered species Act, funds for education, revenue sharing, detente, and much more. For the life of me, this man governed like a liberal and perhaps was the most liberal president since FDR and hence, yet most people still call him a conservative. Why? Nixon was also all for Affirmative Action and did quite a lot on that scene too. Perhaps most people just can't get past the R and the D when it comes to labeling.

    Both of us are pretty close to each other, but there are differences and I think that is because we place different emphasis on different things.
    Just for the heck of it, here is mine from IKE to Obama and remember Obama is more of an incomplete and can rise and fall depending on what happens over the last three years of his presidency.
    1. Eisenhower
    2. JFK
    3. Clinton
    4. Reagan
    5. LBJ
    6. Bush I
    7. Nixon
    8. Bush II
    9. Obama
    10. Carter
    11. Ford

    I would say Obama and Bush II are basically tied at this point for me. I think outside Libya when Obama refused to go to congress, I really like his foreign policy so far. Domestically, for me he hasn't been that hot.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    So, you got nothing to judge him by but your imagination. Nice.
    I judge him on his performance, which quite frankly stinks.

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