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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    1. Bush had diplomacy? Funny how suddenly diplomacy matters. Must be like deficits.
    2, Well, except for that Bin Laden thing and the fact that we're out of Iraq and drawing down in Afghanistan.
    3. Really? Have any Arabs flown planes into any of our buildings on his watch?
    4. I think his problem is he is too detached, not detail oriented in the least bit.
    5. Not at all. The timing was perfect. He's not up for reelection.

    Better than Bush, worse than Clinton, on par with Reagan.
    I'm not talking about Bush. The thread is about Obama. It's also not about Clinton or Reagan. It's about President Obama. There have been more people unemployed and collecting benefits since Obama became president. How many extensions have there been to unemployment benefits again? Remember all the hype about jobs? Then all the sudden, it's healthcare. The healthcare plan has been horribly inadequate so far, people's premiums are rising not to mention the computer glitches just to gain access to sign up. I'll think of more things later.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Of course. Unlike Obama, McCain would not have gone into Pakistan.



    Probably because he would still be focused on the quagmire in Iraq. After all, McCain whined the loudest when Obama agreed to follow through with the troop withdrawal schedule negotiated by Bush.
    McCain clashes with Panetta over U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq - CNN.com


    Are you sure you want to go down this path? Obama accomplished two things which we see above McCain would have failed to achieve. At the very least, this shows Obama is not a bad president, but your candidate would have been.
    small point, but Obama did try to extend the SOFA agreement negotiated by Bush to stay in Iraq.

    Only because al-Sadr, and al-Malaki told him words to the effect of "you stay in Iraq, you are subject to Iraqi law" did Obama withdrawl.

    This was negotiated in Afg too - since the loya jirga allowed so called "US immunity" - and was set to go into effect for Obama to stay AGAIN in Afg.

    Only thing that held that up (so afar) is Karzai's intransigence, that it has to be signed past the next April presidential election.
    Obama envisions bases in Afg. just as he tried to keep bases in Iraq.

    McCain is an idiot; supporting drones for Paki, but not going after bin Laden. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to have done what Obama did.
    bin Laden should have been targeted, unlike a lot of the drones that target so called "militants" in Afpak.

    US war policy is a complete mess.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you think the OBL termination would have been different if McCain had been president
    Yes, it would have been accomplished with missile attacks that destroyed half the city but didn't endanger any American operators.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    small point, but Obama did try to extend the SOFA agreement negotiated by Bush to stay in Iraq.

    Only because al-Sadr, and al-Malaki told him words to the effect of "you stay in Iraq, you are subject to Iraqi law" did Obama withdrawl.

    This was negotiated in Afg too - since the loya jirga allowed so called "US immunity" - and was set to go into effect for Obama to stay AGAIN in Afg.

    Only thing that held that up (so afar) is Karzai's intransigence, that it has to be signed past the next April presidential election.
    Obama envisions bases in Afg. just as he tried to keep bases in Iraq.
    No argument. We aren't leaving Iraq because of anything Obama did. However, he also didn't do anything stupid to keep us there or, worse, dig us in deeper. Ditto Afghanistan.

    McCain is an idiot; supporting drones for Paki, but not going after bin Laden. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to have done what Obama did.
    bin Laden should have been targeted, unlike a lot of the drones that target so called "militants" in Afpak.

    US war policy is a complete mess.
    Yes. But...McCain would have made it worse and Romney seemed to think attacking Iran was an essential part of the American defense strategy.
    Romney Wants To Attack Iran To Prevent A Dirty Bomb - The Daily Beast
    If I were Iran, if I were Iran—a crazed fanatic, I'd say let's get a little fissile material to Hezbollah, have them carry it to Chicago or some other place, and then if anything goes wrong, or America starts acting up, we'll just say, "Guess what? Unless you stand down, why, we're going to let off a dirty bomb." I mean this is where we have—where America could be held up and blackmailed by Iran, by the mullahs, by crazy people. So we really don't have any option but to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
    And, there's more than one source saying this stuff.
    http://www.thenation.com/article/171...r-are-barking#
    The Republican nominee has surrounded himself with advisors who are committed to military action and regime change against Iran, the same people who brought us the Global War on Terror and the Iraq War. Along with their colleagues in hawkish think tanks, they have spent years priming the public to believe that Iran has an ongoing nuclear weapons program, making ludicrous claims about “crazy” mullahs nuking Israel and the United States, pooh-poohing diplomacy—and getting ever shriller each time credible officials and analysts disagree.
    So, Obama is clearly the best of the available options. I know I'm not ready to go to war with Iran. Who's next for the Hawks? North Korea?
    Last edited by calamity; 12-22-13 at 11:41 PM.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yes, it would have been accomplished with missile attacks that destroyed half the city but didn't endanger any American operators.
    that speculation is based on what empirical data?



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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that speculation is based on what empirical data?
    The same empirical data your speculations are based on, big boy. Just 'cuz I say so.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yes, it would have been accomplished with missile attacks that destroyed half the city but didn't endanger any American operators.
    And probably would have missed the intended target.

    The Right had 7 years to get OBL. Pure fail. Obama nails him in less than three, and all the Right can do is say Obama's is a failed presidency.

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not talking about Bush. The thread is about Obama. It's also not about Clinton or Reagan. It's about President Obama. There have been more people unemployed and collecting benefits since Obama became president. How many extensions have there been to unemployment benefits again? Remember all the hype about jobs? Then all the sudden, it's healthcare. The healthcare plan has been horribly inadequate so far, people's premiums are rising not to mention the computer glitches just to gain access to sign up. I'll think of more things later.
    When you judge a president, it is germane to the conversation to compare him to prior presidents.

    Same question I asked Nota--Do you judge Obama in a vacuum?

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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's right. The thread is about whether Obama is a good President. Demonstrably, he is not, and it really doesn't matter if he has three Ivy League doctorates or a Bachelor's in Basket-Weaving.
    If Obama had a Bachelor's Degree in Basket-Weaving from Harvard he would be the coolest president ever.
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    Re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    When you judge a president, it is germane to the conversation to compare him to prior presidents.

    Same question I asked Nota--Do you judge Obama in a vacuum?
    I judge Obama based on his own merit.

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