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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Reagan is another ideological president that replaced another ideological president: Jimmy Carter, who replaced another president: Tricky Dick Nixon.

    The moral of this story? How the current administration performs greatly determines if the same political party stays in the White House, or is sent packing.
    Ideologies are not in themselves a bad thing, if they involve the personal freedom of the individual. Gerald Ford was in that mix also.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    I could agree with this, though for reasons I'll never understood, Reagan is seen as a god by many, despite being thoroughly mediocre.
    Yes, the collapse of communism disappointed a great many people.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And it did. Though I don't think they believed him. Many just overlooked his record and clung to business acumen. Of course, the country isn't really a business. But few really understand that.
    Romney was far right??? LOL!

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Ideologies are not in themselves a bad thing, if they involve the personal freedom of the individual. Gerald Ford was in that mix also.
    They are when they are pretty much forced upon others.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They are when they are pretty much forced upon others.
    Right, but if the freedom of the individual comes first, within the confines of common law, then those ideologies cannot succeed. However people are easily led into these ideologies where the State took precedence over the individual and that's when the serious problems begin. The Founding Fathers in the US recognized this tendency, as have many others, but the lesson always needs to be re-learned.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Ideologies are not in themselves a bad thing, if they involve the personal freedom of the individual. Gerald Ford was in that mix also.
    Most ideologues are not patriots (lovers of America). They are lovers of their ideology.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, both of those things among others, like wasteful spending, of which both parties are guilty. I can't really say which bothers me the most.
    Wasteful spending? Christ, (not profanity) are you a closet Libertarian - a tea partier?

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You must have missed the part in the article showing that spending under Obama's budget is actually going down. Why am I not surprised? Anything that conflicts with RW poutrage gets ignored
    What a coincidence, PPACA causes the quality of health care insurance and health care to go down, as well... Hum...

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    I could agree with this, though for reasons I'll never understood, Reagan is seen as a god by many, despite being thoroughly mediocre.
    We had an amazing run of presidents beginning with WWII and immediately after with FDR, Truman, IKE and JFK, historian's rank them as 2,7,8,11 in order. LBJ probably would have made the top 10 if it were not for Vietnam. As it is he is 14. Then the next three, Nixon, Ford and Carter, 32, 26, 27. Nixon would have been up there with IKE, JFK and the rest without Watergate, think of what he did, Opened up Red China, ended Vietnam, gave us the EPA, the Endangered Species ACT, OSHA, got detente back on track, funds for education and more.

    Reagan comes in at 17, so for those born after 1960 he is probably the best president they knew, him or Clinton. Bush I is number 22, Clinton 20 although I suspect he will rise a notch or two. then we have Bush II and Obama. So if one would call average 16-25 we have had average or below average presidents since LBJ and Reagan at 17 is the best average president we have had since LBJ.

    It probably says something in how we choose our presidents if the best we can do is get 3 average presidents, Reagan, Clinton and Bush I with the rest being below average since LBJ. So with our track record is it any wonder some consider Reagan a god?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The debt is increasing daily. If that's the case, how is spending going down? "If you exclude health care costs in ten years it will blah blah blah".
    all you ever needed to know about spending is in here

    2013 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If you bother look closely, most of the money is absorbed in Military and security related expenses followed closely by SS and then Medicare.

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