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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Correct, but this thread is here now.

    I do agree that we won't have a good read on Obama or G.W. Bush for quite a few years.
    i agree; it's too soon.

    all i can really say about Obama is that the other choices really, really sucked. first it was an unapologetic hawk who bordered on a war monger. the next choice was an out of touch plutocrat. Obama has done a couple things i liked, such as scaling down the wars and not getting heavily involved in a new one (though the jury is still out on that.) also, i like that he fought for health care reform, though the final compromise is a POS and should have been vetoed. his stimulus also saved my ass, and i was able to afford COBRA because of it. he also doesn't seem to be actively going after the states that legalized pot.

    on the negative side, he's been fairly bad on civil liberties, continuing the patriot act; the NSA, et cetera. he signed the unworkable PPACA, tossing it to for profit health insurance corporations and leaving in place the employer specific system. also, there's a chance he won't pull the troops out of Afghanistan, and this option shouldn't even be considered.

    i guess i'm still forming an opinion. right now, i like him better than Bush and not as much as Clinton.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Those polls and studies mean nothing as long as he is in the white house. Hell, they won't mean anything for at least a decade after to be honest.
    Things like Obamacare and Iran Deal will determine where he ranks in the scheme of things.



    Correct.

    And we won't know how either one of those turns out for quite a while.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.
    In some ways his Administration reminds me of that of Buchanan, which isn't a favorable association, but Buchanan would have been a great president if he occupied a more relaxed time period. The truth is, we are at a point in history where our politicians aren't *allowed* to be effective leaders and defenders of the public interest -- only pandering demagogues and special interest cronies. Once the issue of the Republican Party's continuing existence is resolved one way or another, that situation may change.

    A key difference between Buchanan and Obama is that Obama *tried* to be the strong executive America needs, but neither his party, nor the special interests, nor the opposition, nor the American people as a whole, allowed him to.

    We can't have a great president "in spite" of everyone. Leaders have to draw upon the will and resources of the entire nation in order to achieve anything. It would be like a general trying to win the war with his own troops mutinying.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i agree; it's too soon.

    all i can really say about Obama is that the other choices really, really sucked. first it was an unapologetic hawk who bordered on a war monger. the next choice was an out of touch plutocrat. Obama has done a couple things i liked, such as scaling down the wars and not getting heavily involved in a new one (though the jury is still out on that.) also, i like that he fought for health care reform, though the final compromise is a POS and should have been vetoed. his stimulus also saved my ass, and i was able to afford COBRA because of it. he also doesn't seem to be actively going after the states that legalized pot.

    on the negative side, he's been fairly bad on civil liberties, continuing the patriot act; the NSA, et cetera. he signed the unworkable PPACA, tossing it to for profit health insurance corporations and leaving in place the employer specific system. also, there's a chance he won't pull the troops out of Afghanistan, and this option shouldn't even be considered.

    i guess i'm still forming an opinion. right now, i like him better than Bush and not as much as Clinton.
    My thoughts are very similar to yours. I also credit Obama with gay equality progress such as eliminating DADT and supporting SSM.

    But he surely is disappointing (I voted for him in 2008 enthusiastically but by 2012 I had lost interest in him). He would have been gone if Romney hadn't been such an unappealing alternative and if the Repubs hadn't chewed each other to pieces during the selection process.

    Better than Bush2, much less than Clinton.

    Disappointing but not catastrophic. I hope.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    My thoughts are very similar to yours. I also credit Obama with gay equality progress such as eliminating DADT and supporting SSM.

    But he surely is disappointing (I voted for him in 2008 enthusiastically but by 2012 I had lost interest in him). He would have been gone if Romney hadn't been such an unappealing alternative and if the Repubs hadn't chewed each other to pieces during the selection process.

    Better than Bush2, much less than Clinton.

    Disappointing but not catastrophic. I hope.
    yeah, i forgot to add gay civil rights in there.

    there were points in the 2012 race where i thought he could lose. phoning in that first debate really hurt him, but the 47 percent thing was just too much for Romney to get past.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    As my Amish Friends say

    HE SUCKETH



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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    It has been asked that if you were intentionally trying to hurt America, what would you be doing differently than what Obama is doing?

    Answer: Nothing.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Absolutely the worst President in my lifetime and that includes Jimmy Carter and Nixon.
    Policy-wise, Nixon wasn't a bad president.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Nixon is reviled by the 21st century schizoid men of the rightists/GOPees..
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Policy-wise, Nixon wasn't a bad president.
    Haven't you read these guys railing on Trickie Dickie for all of his domestic accomplishments, like EPA ?
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Policy-wise, Nixon wasn't a bad president.
    Nixon's minion started Handgun control inc. He also started the EPA. He might have created another cabinet position as well that spit on the 10th amendment. However, recognizing Red China was a brilliant move. Maybe the smartest Foreign Policy Decision in 50 years and made up for some really boneheaded decisions like Nam and backing the French rather than HCM



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