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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    My mom never let anybody get by with making a statement like this. "Someone should". You are someone. Start writing or stop putting obligations on imaginary people that don't care what you think. Someone is you. Start your book tomorrow. Since you noticed the need and vocalized it, it has now become your responsibility to accomplish it. You have 2 years to complete the task otherwise it will never get done.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This might the only time I've disagreed with your fine posts. I totally support honest free trade.
    Not a problem my friend. I personally feel free trade has cost this nation a bunch of jobs. But I am not an expert in that field at all. So it is my gut I am relying on. I think it is the WTO that irks me more than NAFTA, I think this country ought to be able to put up tariffs if a country isn't fair to our companies.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    True, especially due to Reid's nuclear option. But as far as legislation is concerned, he is through having burnt his bridges many, many moons ago. It will be all he can do to keep the ACA afloat. If the Republicans are wise, they will just keep quiet and let the ACA speak for itself. But some how, the Republicans will figure out a way to put their foot in their mouth, much like Aiken and Mourdock did last year and those two probably cost the GOP at least 4 senate seats and maybe as many as six. Romney's inept campaign didn't help either.
    These elected officials are public servants. They have to voice the opinion of those who voted them into office. Being wise isn't an option. Go to any local Republican Party website. It can be statewide, district wide, county wide or nation wide. Republicans as a whole have two agendas. Prove Obama is a bad president and get rid of the Affordable Care Act. That's what they have to do. That may be a suicide mission but that is the job of the Republican Party at this moment. That could change in 2015 when the Republican Party rewrites their platform but as for now, elected Republicans are doing their job. Didn't you notice the idiocy of deliberately repeating failed attempt after failed attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act? Getting elected as a congressmen isn't easy work. These men aren't dummies but they are acting like dummies. They have two goals to accomplish and they have two years to drag it out.

    The delegates representing the Republican Party are the ones acting unwise. Maybe smarter Republicans will show up to their local conventions this year.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're a hard taskmaster!
    I didn't give him the job. He gave it to himself. If he doesn't do it, he'll have to live with that. The world will suffer without his work.

    The best thing to do when you see a need is to fill it.
    The second best thing to do when you see a need is to shut up about it.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    These elected officials are public servants. They have to voice the opinion of those who voted them into office. Being wise isn't an option. Go to any local Republican Party website. It can be statewide, district wide, county wide or nation wide. Republicans as a whole have two agendas. Prove Obama is a bad president and get rid of the Affordable Care Act. That's what they have to do. That may be a suicide mission but that is the job of the Republican Party at this moment. That could change in 2015 when the Republican Party rewrites their platform but as for now, elected Republicans are doing their job. Didn't you notice the idiocy of deliberately repeating failed attempt after failed attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act? Getting elected as a congressmen isn't easy work. These men aren't dummies but they are acting like dummies. They have two goals to accomplish and they have two years to drag it out.

    The delegates representing the Republican Party are the ones acting unwise. Maybe smarter Republicans will show up to their local conventions this year.
    I understand where you are coming from. I think the shut down over defunding the ACA was pretty stupid strategy. Just before the shut down going by RCP the gap was 14-19 points advantage in the opposition to the law. Just after that shutdown that gap closed between 4-10 points. The shut down which was caused trying to defund the ACA actually helped it. Call it the law of unintended consequences.

    It has taken a month and a half to get that original gap back. I suppose my strategy would be if things are going your way, don't rock the boat.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I understand where you are coming from. I think the shut down over defunding the ACA was pretty stupid strategy. Just before the shut down going by RCP the gap was 14-19 points advantage in the opposition to the law. Just after that shutdown that gap closed between 4-10 points. The shut down which was caused trying to defund the ACA actually helped it. Call it the law of unintended consequences.

    It has taken a month and a half to get that original gap back. I suppose my strategy would be if things are going your way, don't rock the boat.
    Members of the Republican Party that I know are very principled people. They would never allow their Representatives to have the flexibility to strategize. Republicans expect their Representatives to stand up for what is right with a steel fist. If you are right you don't have to be sneaky and wise. Just beat them over the head with it. Yes. It's a terrible strategy. Opponents ignore arrogance but republican voters love it. What can you do if you are a representative in one of these districts full of these principled people?

    It's not bad to make $180,000 a year to do nothing even if you do have to be on the losing team. The Republican Party will continue to exist in various pockets of the country but I really don't think they will ever be effective again and I don't think there will ever be a Republican president again. This isn't the politicians fault. There is a very small group of people who control the Republican Party. These are the people who show up as delegates on the odd number years. You know? The boring year when you don't have an election.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Members of the Republican Party that I know are very principled people. They would never allow their Representatives to have the flexibility to strategize. Republicans expect their Representatives to stand up for what is right with a steel fist. If you are right you don't have to be sneaky and wise. Just beat them over the head with it. Yes. It's a terrible strategy. Opponents ignore arrogance but republican voters love it. What can you do if you are a representative in one of these districts full of these principled people?

    It's not bad to make $180,000 a year to do nothing even if you do have to be on the losing team. The Republican Party will continue to exist in various pockets of the country but I really don't think they will ever be effective again and I don't think there will ever be a Republican president again. This isn't the politicians fault. There is a very small group of people who control the Republican Party. These are the people who show up as delegates on the odd number years. You know? The boring year when you don't have an election.
    That makes me wonder have any of the Republicans took a gander at the party affiliation polls? On 1 Nov 2012 30% of the electorate identified themselves with the Republican Party, on 1 Nov of 2013 only 20% did, that is a loss of 1/3 of the people who use to identify with them in one year time period. Of course the Democrats also dropped during that year from 35% to 30% while independents rose from 33% to 47%. That tells me there is a lot of dissatisfaction with both parties, but more so with the Republicans. Now with all the problems over the ACA the Republicans are starting to regain some strength and have the trend among the voters going their way. So do they want to stop this in dead in its tracks?

    I will be the first to admit the Democrats when it comes to national elections for the presidency has a huge advantage in the electoral college. Considering the growth of independents about the only candidate that I can see at the moment that may be able to over that huge advantage is Christie. Even so I do not think you are seeing the demise of the Republican Party. I have been around too long and heard too many times the demise of one or the other party.

    The Republican Party was suppose to go on the trash heap of history after Goldwater in 1964 and after Watergate in 1974, it didn't. The republicans was suppose to have a lock on the presidency with the solid Republican south and there were a few books written about that during Reagan how the Democrats could never again win a national election. Then came Clinton. Now here we go again. I'll worry about 2014 before I even start to get into and think about 2016. As it stands now the Republicans have a 50-50 chance of regaining the senate, but with 11 months left that could change, or not. Time will tell.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The Republican Party was suppose to go on the trash heap of history after Goldwater in 1964 and after Watergate in 1974, it didn't. The republicans was suppose to have a lock on the presidency with the solid Republican south and there were a few books written about that during Reagan how the Democrats could never again win a national election. Then came Clinton. Now here we go again. I'll worry about 2014 before I even start to get into and think about 2016. As it stands now the Republicans have a 50-50 chance of regaining the senate, but with 11 months left that could change, or not. Time will tell.
    This is very true, and more recent than that -- it wasn't 10 years ago when Karl Rove was crowing about a "permanent Republican majority."

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This is very true, and more recent than that -- it wasn't 10 years ago when Karl Rove was crowing about a "permanent Republican majority."

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    The closest thing to a permanent majority occurred with the Democrats keeping control of the House from 1955 thru 1994. I never dreamed I would ever see a Republican Majority in the house. I think the politics of today who controls what will be a wild ride. Never before has the party strength of both parties ever been as low as it is. Gallup shows only 50% of the electorate identify with the two parties now while 47% identify themselves as independents. So how independents go so too goes the two parties. During Perot's time 68% of the electorate identified with the two parties and only 32% as independents. That is quite a drop in an 20 year time frame for the two so called major parties.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Not a problem my friend. I personally feel free trade has cost this nation a bunch of jobs. But I am not an expert in that field at all. So it is my gut I am relying on. I think it is the WTO that irks me more than NAFTA, I think this country ought to be able to put up tariffs if a country isn't fair to our companies.
    Right, that's why i said honest free trade and yes, the WTO is like the UN.

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