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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    At first I didn't think that was such a big deal, but now the more I think about it the more horrible I think it is.

    Wasn't it more accurately corporations are people though?
    What I was talking about is the Citizen's United ruling which prohibited the government from restricting political independent expenditures by corporations, associations or labor unions. In plain English, money is speech.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What I was talking about is the Citizen's United ruling which prohibited the government from restricting political independent expenditures by corporations, associations or labor unions. In plain English, money is speech.
    Yes, that's what I was talking about too.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, that's what I was talking about too.
    So unless there is a constitutional amendment, no limits can be placed even if one were to use public money to finance campaigns.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So unless there is a constitutional amendment, no limits can be placed even if one were to use public money to finance campaigns.
    Yeah, that stinks.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Isn't he like 100 now?
    I had to look him up, since I didn't know. I remembered that was one of the most exciting elections I had voted in, though! He was born August 1930, which makes him 83 years old. Oddly, George Soros, who is one of those backing Obama, was born in June 1930, which makes both of them 83 years old. Ironically, I had posted a few days that one of the differences between the very wealthy and the rest of us is that the very wealthy don't retire at 65...they find other interests and keep on working into their 80s and 90s. Glad to see I was right! I think that Perot would be considered too old to run for POTUS, if he were even interested in doing so, but it was a nice daydream for me to think about.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    what makes him stand out for me is the amount of and the intensity of support he had following his first election. I think a more forceful push from him on healthcare reform would have been able to deliver a much more broader policy change on the matter. But it seemed his main concern was simply getting a second term, which ultimately turned his 8 year presidency into a rather disappointing experience
    Just because Obama ran an excellent campaign, convinced a lot of people that he was not what he really was, so they voted for him, twice, doesn't mean anything about how good a president the man is.

    It is a clear indication of how good a candidate and campaigner he is, and to some extent how gullible the people are who voted for him, considering the performance that he's managed.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Too old and has been enjoying being out of the limelight since 2000. I think if someone who has the money Perot had, the middle of 2015 would probably be the cut off date. But whoever it is going to be, he better have charisma and a vision for America that people can relate to. He also must have a cause, an issue that is near and dear to the peoples heart. Back in 1992, the rising debt was just that as people started to worry about their children s future. Who that might be, I haven the faintest idea.
    I just posted to ChrisL that both Perot and Soros are 83, born within two months of each other in 1930! Maybe it's the lifestyle they lead, or the wine they drink, or something else, but I found that fact interesting!

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I just posted to ChrisL that both Perot and Soros are 83, born within two months of each other in 1930! Maybe it's the lifestyle they lead, or the wine they drink, or something else, but I found that fact interesting!
    Did I tell you how I first came to learn of Ross Perot? I was stationed in Vientiane Laos in December of 1969. We were briefed to stay away from downtown Vientiane as this guy Perot would be arriving the week of Christmas with a plane load of Christmas Presents for our POW’s being held in Hanoi. A 707 none the less. There would be a ton of reporters tagging along. Ross would attempt to deliver the Christmas Presents to the North Vietnamese Ambassador to Laos in Vientiane. None of us had any idea who Ross Perot was. But he took several truck loads of these Christmas Presents to the North Vietnamese Embassy and demanded to see the North Vietnamese Ambassador. Of course the Ambassador refused to see Ross and also refused to accept the Christmas Presents.


    I don’t know how much play this got in the states, but to us in Vientiane it was a pretty big thing. I had no idea who this Perot guy was, but he immediately received my respect for what he tried to do. I plain forgot about him in the years after until I heard he was about to announce his candidacy for the presidency in 1992 on Larry King. I watch and when I seen his concern for the rising debt was the same as mine, I was hooked. But to my dying day, I will always remember him trying to deliver those Christmas Presents for our POW’s to the North Vietnamese. He is or was one feisty little fellow and I am sure he would have made an excellent president.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Did I tell you how I first came to learn of Ross Perot? I was stationed in Vientiane Laos in December of 1969. We were briefed to stay away from downtown Vientiane as this guy Perot would be arriving the week of Christmas with a plane load of Christmas Presents for our POW’s being held in Hanoi. A 707 none the less. There would be a ton of reporters tagging along. Ross would attempt to deliver the Christmas Presents to the North Vietnamese Ambassador to Laos in Vientiane. None of us had any idea who Ross Perot was. But he took several truck loads of these Christmas Presents to the North Vietnamese Embassy and demanded to see the North Vietnamese Ambassador. Of course the Ambassador refused to see Ross and also refused to accept the Christmas Presents.


    I don’t know how much play this got in the states, but to us in Vientiane it was a pretty big thing. I had no idea who this Perot guy was, but he immediately received my respect for what he tried to do. I plain forgot about him in the years after until I heard he was about to announce his candidacy for the presidency in 1992 on Larry King. I watch and when I seen his concern for the rising debt was the same as mine, I was hooked. But to my dying day, I will always remember him trying to deliver those Christmas Presents for our POW’s to the North Vietnamese. He is or was one feisty little fellow and I am sure he would have made an excellent president.
    Thanks for posting that remembrance, Pero. I just knew I liked the guy, and what he said made enough sense to me to vote for him!

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do, this is why in 92 I voted Perot and again in 1996. In 2000 it was Browne and Browne again in 2004. In 2008 I determined that was McCain and in 2012 it was Gary Johnson. All in all, out of the 13 presidential elections I have voted in, 6 times I determined the best candidate was from a third party and voted that way. I will not voted for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate just to vote for a Republican or a Democrat.
    That third party idea of yours might not be a ban idea because they would tend to run on their avowed ideals. Would you perhaps make an exception for Perot's son?

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