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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I still think it would be incredibly difficult given their limitations monetarily compared to the major parties. No matter what level of government you're talking about, the Dem and Rep parties are always going to have more money to spend on their campaigns, and as a result it makes it much easier and more efficient to get their names and platforms out there.
    That's true for the time being, corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, huge money donors are the one behind the faces of the two major party candidates. It is their millions and tens of millions the two major parties spend on their campaigns. Third parties do not have these types of backers. But once it is seen by these moneyed people that a third party is winning locally, then statewide they will want their assets, butts covered and start to give I am sure.

    I am not sure this is a good thing, I mean owing these moneyed people who finance your campaign. But to compete, one will have to accept their money and some of the restraints that come with it. So it probably wouldn't be long before our third party is just a corrupt and owe all these behinds the scenes moneyed folks as the two major parties do and are now. So after 10-20 years of work, where exactly are we?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That's true for the time being, corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, huge money donors are the one behind the faces of the two major party candidates. It is their millions and tens of millions the two major parties spend on their campaigns. Third parties do not have these types of backers. But once it is seen by these moneyed people that a third party is winning locally, then statewide they will want their assets, butts covered and start to give I am sure.

    I am not sure this is a good thing, I mean owing these moneyed people who finance your campaign. But to compete, one will have to accept their money and some of the restraints that come with it. So it probably wouldn't be long before our third party is just a corrupt and owe all these behinds the scenes moneyed folks as the two major parties do and are now. So after 10-20 years of work, where exactly are we?
    That's a great point, and another reason why I like the idea of capping the amount they are able to spend on campaigning. Maybe that would help things.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So it probably wouldn't be long before our third party is just a corrupt and owe all these behinds the scenes moneyed folks as the two major parties do and are now. So after 10-20 years of work, where exactly are we?
    Same place we are now, I guess....thinking we need yet another third party.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    People have to be willing to vote for them and I think, at least according to the polls the public is ready for a third party. Back in Perot's day only 39% said they would consider voting for a third party candidate, today that number is 81%. Then I think for a third party to become viable it has to be grass roots up. The mistake of my Reform Party is it was top driven. If I was to start one, I would start at the state level, concentrating on state legislatures which write the elections laws for the states. I would try to get a hand in writing those laws for the few few years and then move up to governor and different state wide elections. Doing this would bring I think more bang for the buck. Running a presidential race takes close to a billion dollars these days not counting the funds spent getting on the ballots and lawyers to bring suits against the states or to defend your candidate against the two major parties who will try every trick in the book to keep you off the ballot. It would probably take at least ten years or more, but you need the infrastructure in place to compete nationally.
    While I agree, we are probably already too late for 2016, and we need someone sooner than 10 years!. Do you think Perot is willing to try again? On the other hand, if we do go over the cliff, it might be a 3rd party person who will lead us back to the top, assuming there are any hills left to climb!

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ToastyOats View Post
    It's funny because there are legitimate criticisms of the president coming from both the left and right, just like with all of them. But nope, someone has to drop their pants, sh-t, and leave without washing their hands.
    Who did that?

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    While I agree, we are probably already too late for 2016, and we need someone sooner than 10 years!. Do you think Perot is willing to try again? On the other hand, if we do go over the cliff, it might be a 3rd party person who will lead us back to the top, assuming there are any hills left to climb!
    Isn't he like 100 now?

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's a great point, and another reason why I like the idea of capping the amount they are able to spend on campaigning. Maybe that would help things.
    That and maybe total public financing of campaigns. But with the recent SCOTUS ruling that money is speech, no way with out a constitutional amendment.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Same place we are now, I guess....thinking we need yet another third party.
    I love it. Exactly. What is the old saying, "The more things change, the more they remain the same."
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That and maybe total public financing of campaigns. But with the recent SCOTUS ruling that money is speech, no way with out a constitutional amendment.
    At first I didn't think that was such a big deal, but now the more I think about it the more horrible I think it is.

    Wasn't it more accurately corporations are people though?

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    While I agree, we are probably already too late for 2016, and we need someone sooner than 10 years!. Do you think Perot is willing to try again? On the other hand, if we do go over the cliff, it might be a 3rd party person who will lead us back to the top, assuming there are any hills left to climb!
    Too old and has been enjoying being out of the limelight since 2000. I think if someone who has the money Perot had, the middle of 2015 would probably be the cut off date. But whoever it is going to be, he better have charisma and a vision for America that people can relate to. He also must have a cause, an issue that is near and dear to the peoples heart. Back in 1992, the rising debt was just that as people started to worry about their children s future. Who that might be, I haven the faintest idea.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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