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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Bush inherited a booming economy from the Clinton administration, and left us with one of the most serious economic crises in the last one hundred years. I am not sure I follow your reasoning.
    Please tell me how the recession of 2008 was so much worst than that of when the Tech Bubble Burst? Or how about the crisis with inflation back in the Carter years that Reagan had to deal with. Or! What about the recession that lead to Clinton coming into office.

    And what was Bush to do? Democrats controlled all of congress past 2006.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think fair is accurate. In my jargon it would be below average. So too with Bush the second who proceeded him. So much of what Bush started, Obama continued on with. IMO this president should have concentrated more on the debt, on jobs and the economy. But the first thing he did was health care and ever since that day it was passed, he has been way too busy defending it and trying to keep it. I think of the presidents I have know personally which goes back to Eisenhower, this president and the one before him only rank above Nixon, Carter and Ford. Then if I really gave it a lot of thought, Nixon might even climb above these last two.
    Well put.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Well, give life some time. I have lived long enough to have seen it divided for quite awhile. Doesn't seem like it will change, just get more so. Attempts to blame it on Obama are wails of the sadly defeated. I don't know why Obama gets such grief. Maybe there are a lot of people that deep down inside don't like him because he is black. I don't like him either, but I am not going to blame him for all hell freezing over and the lack of a Second Coming of Christ. Goodness.

    Having said that, Obama is a lot better than his predecessor, Bush, an whole lot better, and no better or worse than most that we have had in the last few decades.
    Bush's judicial picks are far superior to Obama's. ANd that is normally the lasting legacy of a president. Obamataxcare could be as much a scourge as the idiotic remnants of the New Deal that continue to cause bloated government and legions of multi generational welfare dependents today



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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Please tell me how the recession of 2008 was so much worst than that of when the Tech Bubble Burst? Or how about the crisis with inflation back in the Carter years that Reagan had to deal with. Or! What about the recession that lead to Clinton coming into office.

    And what was Bush to do? Democrats controlled all of congress past 2006.
    I believe the record speaks for itself, in regards to Bush.


    Job growth: annual average (payroll survey):
    Clinton: +2,835,000
    Bush: -455,000

    Economic growth (change in inflation-adjusted gross domestic product):
    Clinton: +3.7% per year
    Bush: +2.5% per year

    Inflation (change in consumer price index):
    Clinton: +2.8% per year
    Bush: +3.4% per year

    Median household income, change:
    Clinton: +1.7% per year
    Bush: -1.6% per year

    Number of Americans in poverty (average change per year):
    Clinton: -800,000
    Bush: +1.5 million

    Number of Americans without health insurance (average change per year):
    Clinton: +145,000
    Bush: +1,885,000

    Federal surplus/deficit (annual average):
    Clinton: +$5 billion
    Bush: -$350 billion

    Sources: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of Economic Analysis, Census Bureau, White House Office of Management and Budget, National Assn. of Realtors.

    I am simply trying to say, as before, he is not the worst, or the best. We libertarians have to keep our perspective, lest the neo-cons continuing using us for their own nefarious ends for more years to come. It's time to espouse our principals, and to do that, we need to keep a keen perspective on the realities of the situation, and not demagogue.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Well put.
    I think for those who are young and only have 2 or three president to compare these last two with have a hard time if they really can to rate these two accurately. After all it is experience and what you know. If all you experienced was Bush and Obama, you are going to have different outlooks on them. Even going back to Clinton or Bush the first, all you can do is use you own personal experience to say if this one was a good president or not. I think these last two have a long way to go to be as bad if that is the right word as Ford and Carter. But even at the bottom of my list, both Ford and Carter did some good things and had their moments of glory.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    I thought President Obama brought weak tool set to the Job.
    He had almost no executive experience, and he had very little government experience.
    His record in the state Senate and US senate were not noteworthy.
    He is educated, but inexperienced.
    Unfortunately on the job training has not helped him much.
    Thankfully just 37 months to go, Our republic has survived worse, and we will survive Obama.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think for those who are young and only have 2 or three president to compare these last two with have a hard time if they really can to rate these two accurately. After all it is experience and what you know. If all you experienced was Bush and Obama, you are going to have different outlooks on them. Even going back to Clinton or Bush the first, all you can do is use you own personal experience to say if this one was a good president or not. I think these last two have a long way to go to be as bad if that is the right word as Ford and Carter. But even at the bottom of my list, both Ford and Carter did some good things and had their moments of glory.
    Very, very true. I didn't like Carter as President, but I do believe he was and is a good man. Ford as well, though for partisan reasons I preferred him over his predecessor Carter. In the end, it was a scary, turbulent time of great change. The Soviet menace and nuclear war was always looming large.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think for those who are young and only have 2 or three president to compare these last two with have a hard time if they really can to rate these two accurately. After all it is experience and what you know. If all you experienced was Bush and Obama, you are going to have different outlooks on them. Even going back to Clinton or Bush the first, all you can do is use you own personal experience to say if this one was a good president or not. I think these last two have a long way to go to be as bad if that is the right word as Ford and Carter. But even at the bottom of my list, both Ford and Carter did some good things and had their moments of glory.
    I'm not a fan of Bush either. Make no mistake.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    I wonder if Obama's Presidency is in some way similar to Lauren Hill's performance at the Apollo. She's a highly talented performer who was unknown at the time. She took the stage and immediately was greeting by boos and jeers from the audience, so much so it drowned out the audience's ability to hear and affected her ability to perform leaving the audience with no idea on whether she was talented or not. When you start out on day one with stated mission of wanting him to fail in a system where co-operation is required across branches and one of which is controlled by those who want him to fail, its one of those questions we might not ever know the answer to.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not a fan of Bush either. Make no mistake.
    Neither do I. But everything is relative. I did not like what Bush considered himself the voice of God on earth. Obama thinks he is a God. Bush had bad advisers. Obama's advisers are smart and cunning villains. Bush's policy was stupid. Obama's policy is a crime.

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