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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Sometimes in a field situation that and a dry-on rag is all you have to work with. In the end, he is the President, and its his hair that is turning white prematurely, not ours. (well, mine is already doing that, but at a normal pace)
    So? I was asked my opinion, and I gave it. No one said you had to like it, and you really haven't proven otherwise either.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    And your point is? Mine is, nothing more than what you stated. He is not the best President, but also not the worst. He is, however, what we have. That people you hear about might be preppers expecting the oncoming Zombie apocalypse, digging cellars and hoarding guns and ammo are very scary individuals, though they pass themselves off for the most part as normal.

    The world is not collapsing. Obama has done a fair job for the crappy situation that the last President left him to clean up. If a few disgruntled people out there don't like that, who helped create this situation in the first place, well, I guess they will just have to drink more and continue watching with fervor Walking Dead season 4.
    Has done a fair job? Are you... high? You have more people in this country that think Obama is an outright liar now! I mean, say what you will for Bush but, he didn't engender the same level of hatred. The worst Bush did was be a dumbass at times, he'd laugh it off and we'd laugh at him. Now it's just... depressing. Bush tried to get things done, even went against his own party on immigration. This president has done nothing but campaigned since the day he was elected and been one of the worst leaders this country has ever had. (Leader in terms of someone who can bring the best out of people, find common ground, be a uniter and not a divider).

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So? I was asked my opinion, and I gave it. No one said you had to like it, and you really haven't proven otherwise either.
    Chris, come on now. I am glad you gave it. I don't like or dislike it. I am just sharing as well as you are. Besides, read back through what I said and you will find I actually agreed with you earlier, in that he isn't the worst or the best President. Be cool now.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Sometimes in a field situation that and a dry-on rag is all you have to work with. In the end, he is the President, and its his hair that is turning white prematurely, not ours. (well, mine is already doing that, but at a normal pace)
    The problem is he's not doing the best with what he's got. Take for instance the healthcare thing, he pretends republicans don't have alternatives when they clearly do. If he thinks their bad for the country, then explain why they are! Challenge them on it! Don't just ignore them and pretend they don't exist. It just shows how little he thinks of his opposition. And I swear, there's never been a bigger hypocrite in the White House.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    I'm somewhere between "average" and "no." Obama has proven very prone to go with the popularity polls and the money, which makes him average. But what pushes me towards a slightly lower opinion of him is that he is even willing to do that with things that are universally terrible for the people, and completely unconstitutional. I'm talking mostly about security and information issues.

    But... I can't reasonably say that makes him worse, since no administration before his apart from Bush had the opportunity to do the same (and Bush was willing to as well). This is a very new issue. But how many presidents that history regards favorably, or at least passably, would have done the same? Probably quite a few, I'm guessing. Let's not forget that some of our most lauded presidents also committed some of our most serious human rights violations.

    None of this releases Obama. If anything, it simply casts more doubt on other presidents of questionable ethical firmness who are simply from a less technological era.

    But the truth is, we won't know the true impact of the Obama years until they're a decade in the past, and our system actively discourages ethically strong people from running for president.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Has done a fair job? Are you... high? You have more people in this country that think Obama is an outright liar now! I mean, say what you will for Bush but, he didn't engender the same level of hatred. The worst Bush did was be a dumbass at times, he'd laugh it off and we'd laugh at him. Now it's just... depressing. Bush tried to get things done, even went against his own party on immigration. This president has done nothing but campaigned since the day he was elected and been one of the worst leaders this country has ever had. (Leader in terms of someone who can bring the best out of people, find common ground, be a uniter and not a divider).
    The title of the thread is, "Is Obama a Good President.?"

    I answered he is neither the best nor the worst. He has done a fair job...clarification coming here....cleaning up the mess his predecessor left him. Not sure why that strikes ire in anyone...impartiality. Just because I am a lifelong GOPier, with libertarian tilt, does not make me blind.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Chris, come on now. I am glad you gave it. I don't like or dislike it. I am just sharing as well as you are. Besides, read back through what I said and you will find I actually agreed with you earlier, in that he isn't the worst or the best President. Be cool now.
    Well, I'm just saying it he has gray hair, that's all part of the job. Another thing about Obama is that he is wet behind the ears. I strongly believe he had NO IDEA what he was getting himself into when he campaigned for job of president. He doesn't understand the nuances and the diplomacy involved in being a United States President. He just wants to push his own agenda through and doesn't really consider the unintended consequences.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The problem is he's not doing the best with what he's got. Take for instance the healthcare thing, he pretends republicans don't have alternatives when they clearly do. If he thinks their bad for the country, then explain why they are! Challenge them on it! Don't just ignore them and pretend they don't exist. It just shows how little he thinks of his opposition. And I swear, there's never been a bigger hypocrite in the White House.
    I don't know about how effective the republican's plan would be either. The biggest problem with our healthcare system is cost. The insurance companies drop people and refuse to cover certain people because of COSTS!

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know about how effective the republican's plan would be either. The biggest problem with our healthcare system is cost. The insurance companies drop people and refuse to cover certain people because of COSTS!
    And I'm not saying they would work either. But it's more respectful to acknowledge a differing opinion, then give a thoughtful counter point to why yours is better. But that isn't what Obama is doing.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    My thoughts are very similar to yours. I also credit Obama with gay equality progress such as eliminating DADT and supporting SSM.

    But he surely is disappointing (I voted for him in 2008 enthusiastically but by 2012 I had lost interest in him). He would have been gone if Romney hadn't been such an unappealing alternative and if the Repubs hadn't chewed each other to pieces during the selection process.

    Better than Bush2, much less than Clinton.

    Disappointing but not catastrophic. I hope.
    How can you credit Obama with supporting gays? The dude pandered to both sides with his "evolving" statements. He played the middle of the road when it was convenient for him then shifted when it stopped being a risk to him politically. The guy obviously could care less about gay people.

    Then, he pandered more by allowing us (servicemembers) to take polls about whether we wanted DADT repealed. When it became clear the polls wouldn't come back as favorable as he'd liked, he went ahead and repealed it before the results were official! That shows an absolute lack of testicular fortitude to me. We just want a guy who's going to tell us what to do. Yes or no, are we still following this order? That's it. None of this asking of our opinion then disregarding it when you don't like it. And our civilian leadership wonders why they can't get us to participate in these polls anymore.

    Finally, regarding DOMA, he went about that in a totally unconstitutional manner. A POTUS can't pick and choose what laws to enforce and what not to. If he really cared about gays, he would have made a big public push for it's repeal like he does for all of his other pet projects.

    Pres Obama is no champion of gays. He just pandered to them so he could get votes. Just like he has virtually every other voting demographic.
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