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Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

Is Obama a good president?

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Grant said:
What Romney Plan are you referring to?

Are you still one of the Obamacare believers?
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Don't what you mean by believers, but ACA is close enough to Romney's view that it would not have changed. You'd just like it then.
 
Boo Radley said:
Don't what you mean by believers, but ACA is close enough to Romney's view that it would not have changed. You'd just like it then.
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Romney said that Obamacare would be a mess and he was correct. Are you now trying to blame Obamacare on Romney?

Any scapegoat will do, huh?
 
Grant said:
A more interesting debate might be which President was worse than Obama and why. It seems clear at the is point that he has been the worst President in the last century but there may have been worse before that.
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There are others who some might consider worse. Be it on things they did OR media. You hear a lot about how Jimmy Carter was a bad President. Good man, just ineffective.

As for Bill Clinton, you don't hear it a lot that he let bin Laden go and told the people who caught him that we don't want him, and to let him go - even though it was known that he tried to again attack failed targets.

Lyndon Johnson - potential conspirator behind the assassination of Kennedy - Johnson was under some kind of investigation and Kennedy was likely going to replace Johnson on the 1964 ticket - but the truth behind that has mixed answers.

Herbert Hoover - the Great Depression lasted during his entire 4 year Presidency.

And every President before Lincoln who supported slavery. Andrew Johnson supported it too, but even more-so supported the Union.
 
For modern presidents, I put him in the Reagan Category: way better than Carter and Bush 1&2 but not nearly as smooth, likable and a born leader like we saw in Clinton. Further back, he's not a dud like Nixon and Johnson, but he's no Ike or FDR. I'd say he's a bit like Kennedy: all show but very little go.
 
Wow! 106 votes no!
 
Grant said:
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I guess those "some" are those who think he's doing an excellent job.
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Lol. Those whole 14 people?
 
Grant said:
I expected 0 saying he was a good president, but then again I tend to be an optimist.
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As mediocre as he's been, he's still better than the last four Republican presidents.

Funny how that works out.
 
President Obama is imo one of the worst presidents ever. He should fall on his sword. Yes I said it, the suicide option he should consider.
 
Grant said:
Romney said that Obamacare would be a mess and he was correct. Are you now trying to blame Obamacare on Romney?

Any scapegoat will do, huh?
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You should no the difference between political pandering, and ones actual record. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
You should no the difference between political pandering, and ones actual record. :coffeepap
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No you should tell me, Who was doing the politicial pandering and the ones with the actual record. Do you understand what was said, and the positions taken, during those Presidential debates? No offense, but is English your first language?
 
I wouldn't say I approve of him at this point, but he is not the worst.

I think in terms of economic policy he gets a big fat F. I disagree with him on almost every economic issue though.

In terms of his foreign policy though I think it is too early to tell. He got Bin Laden for one thing and made it a priority for his administration. Although the brave soldiers accomplished this, we need to give Obama some credit as commander in chief.

I am glad he prudently pulled out of Iraq and is doing the same in Afghanistan. I think it was time for Iraq and time for Afghanistan, but we can't just turn tail and leave, I believe if you break it you bought it, to some extent. It would simply be cruel to trash a whole country and then walk out and leave it to the extremists to run roughshod over.

On the other hand I have mixed feelings on his stances in regards to Iran and Israel. I genuinely hope this Iran nuclear deal works, I actually want it to be successful, but in the end I am not positive Iran is not bluffing. I have come to believe over the years that if we withdrew our support for Israel a second holocaust would be virtually guaranteed. I used to buy into the isolationist Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan wing of the GOP, although the more I study the issue the more I have come to believe the USA is the only thing standing between Israel and its destruction. Israel has a great military but cannot face down every enemy. Perhaps for some leaving Israel to its fate is justifiable, but for me it is not.

I do not think Obama is anti-Israel or pro-Iran, because I don't buy into any conspiracies, but he seems to have an optimistic liberal view of the world. I think he believes extending an olive branch will change people's minds. I think he is fundamentally not an ideological guy so he doesn't really understand the mind of an ideologue, which is why I think he underestimates a lot of the blind hatred for Israel and the US in the world.

I do not consider Obama to be the worst president though. I consider Wilson to be the worst because he trampled on civil liberties far more than any president before or since, and arguably was one of our most racist presidents.

As for my own personal views on him I believe that President Obama is a decent man with whom I share a different worldview, but I am sure he is a good family man. In terms of his political views I do not believe he is a Marxist, merely a typical big government liberal no different than FDR, LBJ, Carter or any other Democrat who has come along since then. In terms of religion he seems to be some sort of liberal Christian universalist, not a "radical Muslim." His father had Muslim heritage, but was himself an atheist his entire adult life.
 
Puigb said:
As mediocre as he's been, he's still better than the last four Republican presidents.

Funny how that works out.
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Three for sure. I have him tied with Reagan: nothing special, divisive with no real accomplishments, more of a salesman/actor than a real leader, diconnected from day-to-day operations...an endless list of comparrisons actually.

He's the Democrat's Reagan.
 
Puigb said:
Yes, it's funny how Republicans have convinced themselves other wise.
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The proof republicans are full of crap is when they say Obama is worse than Bush Jr. Only a die hard partisan makes that remark with a straight face.
 
calamity said:
You're surprised? He's probably get that even if this site was more liberal.
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To be honest, I was expecting more liberals to vote that he is average. Nice to see some waking up to reality. ;)
 
ChrisL said:
To be honest, I was expecting more liberals to vote that he is average. Nice to see some waking up to reality. ;)
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I was hoping more Conservatives would finally admit he is just average. Too bad most still have their heads up their ass.

What's funny is Obama should have been a one-term president, but the GOp couldn't get out of its own way. So he cake-walked into a second term.

I guess that's why the Right is kicking at anything except simply admitting they did it to themselves. How else can you loses to Obama twice and say he's the worst president who ever lived? Talk about a lack of personal responsibility.
 
calamity said:
I was hoping more Conservatives would finally admit he is just average. Too bad most still have their heads up their ass.

What's funny is Obama should have been a one-term president, but the GOp couldn't get out of its own way. So he cake-walked into a second term.

I guess that's why the Right is kicking at anything except simply admitting they did it to themselves. How else can you loses to Obama twice and say he's the worst president who ever lived?
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He isn't average. He sucks. :lol:
 
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