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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    what makes him stand out for me is the amount of and the intensity of support he had following his first election. I think a more forceful push from him on healthcare reform would have been able to deliver a much more broader policy change on the matter.


    What in the world gives you that impression? The PPACA, like just about everything else the President has proposed, passed along purely partisan lines.

    Now, we can assume that the same Republicans who have been pushing for a default on America's loans (you know, basic stuff that everybody knows better than to do) might, somehow, have started acting reasonable if the President was just a little more "forceful."

    ...Or we can avoid such assumptions because, in my not-so-humble-opinion, they're completely contradicted by the reality of the political circus in Washington today.

    For instance, we can't get our Representatives to agree to pay the bills for the spending which they've already authorized--again, just about the most basic thing in the world--but we can get our Representatives to agree that chimpanzees should be able to retire in style.

    I don't honestly see how any man or woman can be expected to perform well under such ludicrous circumstances.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    But it seemed his main concern was simply getting a second term, which ultimately turned his 8 year presidency into a rather disappointing experience


    If that was the case, then he'd have avoided the PPACA and the ARRA and TARP and, you know, all the things that he's been vilified for over the last 5 years.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I don't know, It's not like the Middle East has gotten any better since he got into office. Actually, I think you could probably argue that it's gotten far worse.
    That'd be a pretty hard argument to make since President Obama authorized the raid on the compound in Abbottabad, winded down the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and switched to using drones and strike teams to handle targets instead of authorizing unilateral invasions of entire countries with the use of trillions of dollars and over a million people. Could you imagine if we had used President W. Bush's tactics to deal with targets in places like Mali, Yemen, and Syria? It'd be an unmitigated disaster (assuming Iraq wasn't an unmitigated disaster, because if it was, then I don't have a good term for handling terrorists in Syria the way we handled them in Iraq).

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    He is beyond any reasonable doubt the most useless piece of commie **** to ever be given the opportunity to **** over America.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Say what you want about Bush, he actually joined hands with the other side and sought to get majorities. The way this President is dividing the country sickens me.
    Did he actually join hands with the other side or was he simply more successful at bullying his Democratic counterparts in the Congress than President Obama? You know, vote for the PATRIOT Act or you're not a PATRIOT, his absolute desecration of Mr. Kerry's war record, the manner in which he achieved victory in 2000 primary battle with Mr. McCain, etc. President W. Bush didn't "join hands" with anybody. He implicitly threatened to directly attack and harm your career unless you did what he and his advisers suggested. You may be about to say that President Obama hasn't shied away from such tactics, and I won't entirely disagree, but then, if that's your response, there's no way either of us agrees with your above remark.

    For all the joining hands President W. Bush supposedly did, he couldn't even get his own Republicans to vote for his immigration reform bill. It wouldn't have gotten any votes at all if the Democrats back then were half as obstructive as the Republicans of today.

    So there might be some truth to the idea that President Obama has "divided the nation" (I entirely disagree, but hold on), and I strongly agree that one area in which President Obama has failed is his ability to meet with the Congress, congressional Republicans or Democrats, doesn't matter, to accomplish anything. While I agree with the President that he shouldn't have to babysit the Congress, it became obvious a long time ago that the Congress is composed of nothing but bratty and selfish children, so this President has, imo, failed to do any real uniting.

    But all we're really saying at that point is that the President is as content as just about everyone else to allow the pre-existing divisions to become worse.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I agree that Eisenhower was an excellent president.

    I put him pretty close to the top of the list.

    He was also a pretty good general.

    We could use a lot of politicians who think and act like him like him right now.

    I'm talking about people who put what's good for the USA ahead of what's good for the party that they belong to.
    That will be the day in today's day and age of party first politics. We have a president that demonizes the opposition, two leaders in the senate that both believe in the my way or the highway attitude. A speaker that scared of a vocal minority of his party members. Such is the state of our political system today.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mordecai View Post
    That'd be a pretty hard argument to make since President Obama authorized the raid on the compound in Abbottabad, winded down the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and switched to using drones and strike teams to handle targets instead of authorizing unilateral invasions of entire countries with the use of trillions of dollars and over a million people. Could you imagine if we had used President W. Bush's tactics to deal with targets in places like Mali, Yemen, and Syria? It'd be an unmitigated disaster (assuming Iraq wasn't an unmitigated disaster, because if it was, then I don't have a good term for handling terrorists in Syria the way we handled them in Iraq).
    Putting aside that you are assuming what Bush would of done, and we can't say for sure he would of done the same thing, look at the Middle East as a whole. Egypt is a military dictaorship, Syria is in Civil war, Lybia has become a haven for our enemies. And then there is Pakistan. Because of those drone strikes and strike teams, vehicles can't move in and out of Pakistan into Afghanistan because of protests. And Afghanistan, even after a surge, isn't working out well and will be a quagmire. And Iraq was wrapped up by Bush before he left off with the agreement of withdrawal.

    So yeah, Obama is worse.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    He is beyond any reasonable doubt the most useless piece of commie **** to ever be given the opportunity to **** over America.
    "Commie." Adorable. Good to see some people are still fighting the Cold War and red-baiting at the drop of a hat.
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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    I do believe that the extremists have a hold on this one..
    And, we "progressives" are above these shenanigans are we not ??
    Thus we have yet another ruined poll, which was not good from the go..

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That will be the day in today's day and age of party first politics. We have a president that demonizes the opposition, two leaders in the senate that both believe in the my way or the highway attitude. A speaker that scared of a vocal minority of his party members. Such is the state of our political system today.



    I hear what you're saying and I agree that needs to change.

    We need to start sending people to Washington,D.C. who care more about what's good for the whole USA than they do about what's good for one party or another.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 12-06-13 at 06:53 PM.

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    re: Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I hear what you're saying and I agree that needs to change.
    The problem is I do not see change in the near future. What is going on in the senate makes me miss leaders like Dole and Mitchell, heck I even miss leaders like Byrd and Baker. I miss a president like Clinton who did a pivot and his trianglelazation strategy. At least he worked with members of the opposition and he got most of his agenda through and ended up almost balancing the books. What a mess this political polarization has gotten our country into.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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