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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by nes View Post
    So what then? There are extremist liberals out there and they should be allowed to express their ideas. Aren't environmental wackos (such as al gore) extremist also? Since you picked that definition...

    Even if christians are a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines so what? Are you telling me people should not be allowed to do so? What wrongdoing is being done by these group of people?

    The thread starter cited that christians get a double standard, what double standard?
    How is Al Gore an extremist? He's only relaying what most scientists already believe.
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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by nes View Post
    I don't see your point. My point is that this Christian group should be allowed regardless of how radical its beliefs are as long as they are following laws. My point also being that so what? Who cares if a group is extremist, what is the big deal?
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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Yes! ToT! A real debate!

    Okay, first of all I didn't compare them to Islamic Fascists, I merely said that their beliefs can be supported by biblical scripture. Just like Saint Augustine's arguments for the torture of heretics (which laid the foundation for the Inquisition.)

    My contempt is for dangerous dogma, which consists of ANY religious fundamentalism.
    I'm agnostic.

    Second of all, as for her being a liberal plant. She isnt, she's the wife of the nutjob famous for "God Hates Fags".com
    Then explain this photo of Fred Phelps and his wife with Al and Tipper Gore:




    Not quite an answer to my challenge ToT.
    Ya actually it was because when Christ arrived on the scene he said that his followers would not follow the old traditions; such as, stoning to death.

    The passage you quoted would suggest that it would be just for Christ to fulfill the barbaric morality of the OT because he himself is free of sin.
    Not if you read the early life of Christ found in the books about him that didn't make it into the bible called the Apocrypha. Jesus sinned as a child

    This is a falsification of morality, and doesn't answer for how it was considered just to god for the people of antiquity to stone adulterers and heretics.
    Ask Iran or any fundamentalist Islamic nation there is.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    I don't quite remember where Jesus ever asked ppl to kill in his name.
    Neither do I. This might clear things up for you though: The Jesuit, Illuminati, Knights of Columbus and Masonic Oaths

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus View Post
    Not if you read the early life of Christ found in the books about him that didn't make it into the bible called the Apocrypha. Jesus sinned as a child

    Yes , this is true. He was far from sinless as a youth.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus View Post
    I'm agnostic.
    And I didn't imply that you were of any faith, only that you are defending biblical morality, which is inconsistent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus View Post
    Then explain this photo of Fred Phelps and his wife with Al and Tipper Gore:

    I'm convinced!

    I've got pictures of my mom and Clinton, they mean nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus View Post
    Ya actually it was because when Christ arrived on the scene he said that his followers would not follow the old traditions; such as, stoning to death.
    Oh I got that, the reason I said that you didn't answer my question is because this NEW morality does not explain how god's old "morality" could be considered moral.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus View Post
    Not if you read the early life of Christ found in the books about him that didn't make it into the bible called the Apocrypha. Jesus sinned as a child
    I've read them, and again I never said that Jesus hadn't ever sinned. I said that this passage suggests that it would be moral for one free of sin, which Christ is as some Christian apologists suggest (which I do not claim, I do not believe in sin.) These Christians reject any gospel outside of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

    If you're not a Christian fundamentalist, why are you defending them, and then using Gnostic Christian gospels as if they weren't a straw man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus View Post
    Ask Iran or any fundamentalist Islamic nation there is.
    Why should I bother? I know it to be immoral, and faith based "because god said so, and he's god" responses don't cut it.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by nes View Post
    I don't understand exactly what impact this religious group (in america) has caused. If someone here can point out kidnappings, killings, and car bombings that this "hateful religion" caused then present it right now. If they don't kidnap, kill, or car bomb then why do you care? USA is a nation of freedom of religion, I myself don't care about Muslims as residents in the US.

    And even if this group was a hateful group, so what? What are you gonna do? Kick them out of the US? Arrest them? What laws have they broken?

    I don't see your point. My point is that this Christian group should be allowed regardless of how radical its beliefs are as long as they are following laws. My point also being that so what? Who cares if a group is extremist, what is the big deal?
    Hateful bigotry is wrong, its divisive, and its hurtful. It effects many peoples socialization, and can exacerbate childhood trauma. Its the kind of stuff that bad children are made out of, and these bad children who have nothing to lose ruin the life experience of otherwise good children. Then they grow up to be bad people who have children.

    Dangerous dogma is also something that should be more of a concern. It often opposes science, promotes ignorance and unintelligent thinking. It effects our educational system, and our hinders medical research.

    It is also a matter of life and death for the 3 million people who die from aids in subsaharan Africa, where the only condom use information available is from the local ministry that preaches its sinfulness.

    Who cares about hate? Who cares about violence? Who cares about extremism? Who cares about death? Obviously not you.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by nes View Post
    Who cares if a group is extremist, what is the big deal?
    Extremist groups, even Christian extremist groups, threaten our American way of life and the freedoms that we have grown fond of. Basically Christian extremist groups have gotten a free pass because well....they're CHRISTIAN...what could be bad about that?

    Here is another story about youth recruitment for militant Christianity:

    Talk To Action | Reclaiming Citizenship, History, and Faith

    "the recent "Battle Cry" rally in Philadelphia, where a crowd of about 25,000 -- mostly teenagers and young adults -- pledged their fealty to a vision of a theocratic Christian nation. This pledge was obtained, mostly, by scaring the crap out of them,

    That was clear from this account on DKos:

    But BattleCry Philadelphia was more than just a vulgar carnival designed to suck donations into the coffers of Ron Luce's corporation "Teen Mania". Indeed, it had a point, to recruit the future elite "warriors" in the coming battle against the separation of church and state."


    More about BattleCry:

    Truthdig - Reports - Battle Cry for Theocracy

    "If you’ve been waiting to get alarmed until the Christian fascist movement started filling stadiums with young people and hyping them up to do battle in “God’s army,” wait no longer.

    In recent weeks, BattleCry, a Christian fundamentalist youth movement, has attracted more than 25,000 people to mega-rally rock concerts in San Francisco and Detroit, and this weekend it plans to fill Wachovia Stadium in Philadelphia.

    The leaders of BattleCry claim that their religion and values are under attack, but amid spectacular light shows, Hummers, Navy SEALs and military imagery on stage, it is BattleCry that has declared war on everyone else. Its leader, Ron Luce, insists: “This is war. And Jesus invites us to get into the action, telling us that the violent—the ‘forceful’ ones—will lay hold of the kingdom.”

    BattleCry is a part of the evangelical organization Teen Mania, and you can learn a lot about the kind of society that Teen Mania is fighting for by reading up on its Honor Academy, a non-accredited educational institution that offers directed internships to 700 undergraduate and graduate youth each year. Among the academy’s tenets: Homosexuality and masturbation are sins. Interns are forbidden to listen to secular music, watch R-rated movies or date; men can’t use the Internet unsupervised; the length of women’s skirts is regulated. The logic behind this—that men must be protected from the sin of sexual temptation—is what drives Islamic fundamentalists to shroud women in burkhas!"
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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Dangerous dogma is also something that should be more of a concern.

    I agree 100%

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    I don't either...and nobody eluded to that in that video either.

    I heard..."There is an excitement and there is a peace to it" and I heard people wary of a violent enemy and I saw people being fanatical. But I saw ZERO violence and I heard NOTHING that indicated hurting anybody.

    "This means war" at the end sounded like a call to awaking people about politics. That phrase can take many meanings and that entire movie seems absolutely biased and I wouldn't waste another second with the obvious agenda behind it.

    ...oh yeah, I am not Christian nor religious in any way, shape or form.

    I still stand by my original comments. I am also open to any argument that might present Christianity or those involved as violent and militant as Islam. The problem is that nowhere, not even the KKK, do you see the hate and the violence that you do in Islam. Even if it is a minority, it is still an alarmingly large number of people.

    Who has something else?

    Astound me...
    With constant constant references to how palestinian school kids are taught to learn hand grennades - you don't think this is the spread of violence and hatred?
    An army of christ, what does an army do exactly other than to kill?
    ARe there as many radical moronic crazy christians as there are islamic ones ? Honestly I don't know. The big difference between here and there is there is no rule of law there. Here we are a governed lawful society; there they don't even have a government.
    Islam's "crusade" against israel or the west has far more to do with control and power than it does with religious beliefs clashing. The news we get is only the tip of the ice berg, we only see the violence and bloodshed because that is what is "newsworthy".
    Our military hawks on this site present to us the most violent of stories as well because let's face it - when they are sent into a situation keep in mind it's a situation that already requires their presence - use of force.
    They have crazy muslims, we have crazy christians. It's just our crazy christians do not have the ability to topple our government forces. In their world, they have that ability. WE look at our crazy christians and mock and laugh; in that world those crazy muslims are not laughed at but feared because their government is too weak.

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