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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth View Post
    There are schools and there are schools. Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Oxford are 2nd tier schools meant for kids of rich parents. They turn out the leaders of the market place. Then there are the 2nd tier schools for the smart kids. The UC system and a few others like it. The first rate schools are MIT, Stanford, and the Cal Techs of the world. Everybody who's honest with themselves know this.
    You want to talk about honesty, and then you say:

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    This guy had all the short comings of a typical weenie from England.
    Forgive me if your prejudices get in the way of my honesty.

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    I'm kind of glad the cult leader called the cops on him. Too bad he didn't have a shot gun.
    Glad he called the cops? Shoot Richard Dawkins? Just what kind of morality is yours?

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    Well, the two actually need each other. They feed off each other. Makes good story for the mass media channels.
    Your mischaracterizations of Professor Dawkins are very telling of your unfamiliarity with him.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean
    Its not as if somewhere in the Bible it says that Christians can jettison said savage passages once they come to the new world and are confronted with modern morality.
    Actually, there is:
    Quote Originally Posted by Galations 3
    10. For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM."
    11. Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
    12. However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
    13. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--
    14. in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
    15. Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.
    16. Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ.
    17. What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.
    18. For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
    19. Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.
    20. Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one.
    21. Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law.
    22. But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
    23. But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
    24. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
    25. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
    26. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
    27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
    28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    29. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Actually, there is:

    17. What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.
    Does not invalidate the previous covenant = Isn't that what I said?

    If I understand the language correctly:
    the law = New covenant
    = came 430 years later
    = doesn't invalidate Old covenant

    THUS the old rules still apply. Am I missing something here?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth View Post
    There are schools and there are schools. Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Oxford are 2nd tier schools meant for kids of rich parents. They turn out the leaders of the market place. Then there are the 2nd tier schools for the smart kids. The UC system and a few others like it. The first rate schools are MIT, Stanford, and the Cal Techs of the world. Everybody who's honest with themselves know this.

    Not that schooling helps much in the real world. It's a start though. This guy had all the short comings of a typical weenie from England. I'm kind of glad the cult leader called the cops on him. Too bad he didn't have a shot gun. Well, the two actually need each other. They feed off each other. Makes good story for the mass media channels.
    You seem to be one of those people with all the 'short comings' of a typical moron from a deep, dark hole, scared of those intellectually above you- we get you guys sometimes, but you normally get tired of our debating and, to quote from another poster, "mean-spirited name-calling". If you decide to stay, I would suggest you stop heckling the elderly Chair for the Public Understanding of Science at the most prestigious university on Earth. If schooling doesn't help in the real world, you must tell us how you gained your great stores of knowledge, and we can get some help for the real world.

    Moderators: Can I call him a moron in a hole? I know that troll is the preferred term, but "troll in a hole" is far too cheesy. Pleeeease?
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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    moderator, I have no problems with being called whatever. If somebody wants to call me something I'm all for it.

    I don't have much respect for oxford or most of the ivy leagues. Stanford is the only decent school in the bunch and I do respect it. Greatly. It's by far the best university in the world. Not oxford. Oxford can and should stay in that little inbred country full of people who can't speak english right.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean
    Does not invalidate the previous covenant = Isn't that what I said?

    If I understand the language correctly:
    the law = New covenant
    = came 430 years later
    = doesn't invalidate Old covenant

    THUS the old rules still apply. Am I missing something here?
    The "previous covenant" isn't the OT law, it was a separate agreement between Abraham and God. Part of that deal was that Abraham's "seed" would be blessed, which, according to Paul, meant that Jesus would be a decendant of Abraham ("'And to your seed,' that is, Christ").

    That particular verse refers to a law that came 430 years after the covenant was made with Abraham, but the lesson seems to be "the law" was only a tutor until we were blessed with the spirit of Christ, then we no longer needed "the law." The rest of Galations talks about other old laws like circumcision in the same context:

    Quote Originally Posted by Galations 5
    2. Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
    6. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
    In chapter 4 it says that Hagar the bondwoman's enslaved children represent the covenant handed down to Moses from Mount Sinai (the 10 Commandments plus about 600 others), and the free woman's son represents Jesus ("through the promise"). And we are children of the free woman, not the bondwoman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galations 4
    21. Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
    22. For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
    23. But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.
    24. This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.
    25. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
    26. But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.
    27. For it is written, "REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
    BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
    FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
    THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
    28. And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
    29. But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
    30. But what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
    FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN."
    31. So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.
    There's a lot of metaphorical stuff to wade through, but the conclusion I get is that since Jesus was here, we should "cast out the bondwoman" and only practice laws that coincide with the spirit and teachings of Jesus.

    Also just so you know, I don't necessarily believe everything in the Bible. I have serious doubts that any of it was inspired by God. I'm just familiar with how some Christians explain why they're allowed to eat pork and mix cotton and polyester in the same wardrobe.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    I dont mean to offend anyone because I'm not really religious but it is a sin to kill a person to my knowledge, so shouldnt they be going after the killers?

    And when people do listen to their god and all will everything start to get better or what?

    Does all this mean that Bush didn't really make a mistake to go to war he just wanted people to see how the reality of beliving god is???

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The Christian Groups I know of believe in loving the sinner and hating the sin be it gay sex or adultery.....
    Yeah right....two words for you Navy Pride...BILL CLINTON...tell us all how you love the sinner....

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth View Post
    It's by far the best university in the world. Not oxford. Oxford can and should stay in that little inbred country full of people who can't speak english right.
    I guess it's now clear to everyone how intelligent your argument is in this particular debate.

    Putting down universities and trying to make one better than the other is to dismiss the concept of learning in what is referred to (justifiably so) as HIGHER EDUCATION.

    As far as your bigotry against Brits you've clearly identified yourself to everyone here.

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    Re: Religions of HATE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Utah View Post
    Why does it seem that any religion other than Christianity is able to publicly state Hate Speech and that their right to discuss their feelings is acceptable, since we don't want to suppress any people's "Religious Beliefs". But with Christians it is not acceptable. Are other religions more mysterious? What is the psychological thing that allows people to accept this double standard. If we saw thousands of christians in London marching and screaming Death to Islam...Death to Persians! There would be an outcry like you have never heard from our media, but we are shown media of them doing so all of the time, over cartoons, over just about anything.

    Is an open discussion even possible?

    Your thoughts?
    Strange thread. But I do have a question. Exactly how much hate speech do Christians want to express?

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