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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    I voted no simply because you did not describe ANY supporting documentation required to obtain it. Can one get 20 of them using whatever they make up as a name/address?
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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    The ID is free and easily and readily obtainable.
    It can be obtain where all other IDs can DMV, Passport, court house for weapons permits etc and at the polling places at certain times.

    Also the VOTING ID isnt required to vote other picture IDs are also acceptable, Drivers license, Passport, military ID etc.

    as always if theres a problem with ID you still get to vote special ballot and will have a time frame to work it out.

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    I would definitely support it under these conditions.
    As long as those IDs require that you actually show up in person, and present a birth certificate/certificate of naturalization/certificate of none availability of a birth certificate( in rare cases a individual has no birth certificate and it has been investigated that the individual was born in the US to get this certificate) and S.S. card to get those photo IDs then sure.
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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not familiar with it but im curious is that all that was in the bill or were things piggy packed on it like no Sunday voting, changes to absentee ballots, no same day registration, no district or voting poll lines, only voting ID accepted and or any supplied ID much be identical to voter registration log etc
    For the longest time all one had to do was walk into the polling place, fill out your sheet of paper and go vote. But around ten years ago my neighbor went to vote one afternoon only to find out someone had already voted for her in the morning. The country had around 20 of these that they knew about. She rarely voted, so who ever did vote in her name probably took that into consideration. This was in the late 90's and that was when Georgia first started considering the photo ID law. When it was finally passed the law didn't take effect until two years later giving people plenty of time to get a photo ID if they didn't have one.

    Voter identification was tighten up around 2000 to make one show an ID or two utility bills with name and address on. This was done by our Democratic Governor and state legislature then, so this move to a photo ID law wasn't much of a partisan thing. I think it was in 2004 or there abouts the current law was passed after we elected our first Republican Governor ever in 2002 and the Republicans for the first time in our history took over the state legislature. The law has worked out fine.
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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thanks ill check it out, like i said i was just curious
    Not a problem. I am always glad to oblige as long as I can.
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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as those IDs require that you actually show up in person, and present a birth certificate/certificate of naturalization/certifcate of none avaliability of a birth certificate( in rare cases a individual has no birth certificate and it has been investigated that the individual was born in the US to get this certificate) and S.S. card then sure.
    i wouldnt even mind if one didnt show up in person but yes mathcing info would have to be supplied, DL ID#, SS#, fax or scan of BC etc.

    but mind you this is going off of what im used to.

    IN pa for decades ive have always been asked for ID to vote, im not sure what happens when you dont have it but im always asked. Then they look at it, scroll down the registered voters list , verify and mark me as voted.


    Now if something different happens else where maybe i would change my mind on this.

    but my point is there could be somebody that fakes my ID and votes for me but the flag is going to be raised if i already voted, or am not registered or i vote later.

    some one could fake being me but they would have to know i dont vote and get some of my info and fake an ID.

    SO under those condition im ok with obtaining a ID online providing some info
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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    For the longest time all one had to do was walk into the polling place, fill out your sheet of paper and go vote. But around ten years ago my neighbor went to vote one afternoon only to find out someone had already voted for her in the morning. The country had around 20 of these that they knew about. She rarely voted, so who ever did vote in her name probably took that into consideration. This was in the late 90's and that was when Georgia first started considering the photo ID law. When it was finally passed the law didn't take effect until two years later giving people plenty of time to get a photo ID if they didn't have one.

    Voter identification was tighten up around 2000 to make one show an ID or two utility bills with name and address on. This was done by our Democratic Governor and state legislature then, so this move to a photo ID law wasn't much of a partisan thing. I think it was in 2004 or there abouts the current law was passed after we elected our first Republican Governor ever in 2002 and the Republicans for the first time in our history took over the state legislature. The law has worked out fine.
    see im all for ID laws that involve things that deal with ID

    IN pa for decades ive have always been asked for ID to vote, im not sure what happens when you dont have it but im always asked. Then they look at it, scroll down the registered voters list , verify and mark me as voted.

    and like i actually just posted to james, my opinions are based off of what ive been exposed too.
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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    The ID is free and easily and readily obtainable.
    It can be obtain where all other IDs can DMV, Passport, court house for weapons permits etc and at the polling places at certain times.

    Also the VOTING ID isnt required to vote other picture IDs are also acceptable, Drivers license, Passport, military ID etc.

    as always if theres a problem with ID you still get to vote special ballot and will have a time frame to work it out.

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    I would definitely support it under these conditions.
    The problem with accepting multiple (non mutually exclusive) IDs is that without verification one can hold several of them, possibly in different districts/states, and vote multiple times "legally", thus defeating the purpose entirely.
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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    see im all for ID laws that involve things that deal with ID

    IN pa for decades ive have always been asked for ID to vote, im not sure what happens when you dont have it but im always asked. Then they look at it, scroll down the registered voters list , verify and mark me as voted.

    and like i actually just posted to james, my opinions are based off of what ive been exposed too.
    Seems we were a bit behind PA down here. But based on each individuals experiences that is where opinions are drawn. Nothing wrong with that. Georgia is one southern state where its ID law was never challenged. That in itself makes it unique.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Seems we were a bit behind PA down here. But based on each individuals experiences that is where opinions are drawn. Nothing wrong with that. Georgia is one southern state where its ID law was never challenged. That in itself makes it unique.

    Only citizens should vote. Prove it. A state picture id is easy to get and cheap. Get one. Prove who you are to vote.

    Voter ID laws being racist imply that minorities aren't smart enough to get an ID. That is racist in itself. Minorities are just as capable as anyone to get identification. We need identification to buy cigarettes, beer and to drive. Certainly voting is as important as cigarettes and beer, well, cigarettes.
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    Re: Would you support THIS voter ID law described in OP?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    i wouldnt even mind if one didnt show up in person but yes mathcing info would have to be supplied, DL ID#, SS#, fax or scan of BC etc.

    but mind you this is going off of what im used to.

    IN pa for decades ive have always been asked for ID to vote, im not sure what happens when you dont have it but im always asked. Then they look at it, scroll down the registered voters list , verify and mark me as voted.


    Now if something different happens else where maybe i would change my mind on this.
    For a long time in my state they just asked for your name and party affiliation, they pulled out a computer print out with names look for your name and have you sign next to it. No ID or even a voter registration card was asked for. So if someone knew what elections certian voters voted in and didn't vote in then someone could litterally walk in claim to be that person,forge their signature and no one would be the wiser. Eventually we enacted voter id laws. In my state to get a voter registration card is still a joke.You just fill out a form,mail it in and then a week or two later you have a voter ID. Many employers use this as ID.


    but my point is there could be somebody that fakes my ID and votes for me but the flag is going to be raised if i already voted, or am not registered or i vote later.

    some one could fake being me but they would have to know i dont vote and get some of my info and fake an ID.

    SO under those condition im ok with obtaining a ID online providing some info
    The thing is many people do not vote in every election. Generally in presidential elections most registered voters in a city will vote, but if its just a state election then there is less registered voters from that same city voting and if its just a mayoral election then even less registered voters from that same city will vote. Its like a funnel.I think on top of a photo ID and voter registration card the election board should send you a letter informing you that you have voted this way voters will know if someone someone voted for them or not.
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