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    Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

    I personally believed that it does if that country is going to survive.


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    In regards to the United States I'm talking about an official declaration of war being declared.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

    I personally believed that is does if that country is going to survive.
    Only if it's a legal war having gone through all the constitutionally mandated steps.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Hell, I think some mandatory form of military/public/government service for a year would be great for the UK, and probably every other nation.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Well that is an interesting concept as it argues that the state has rights. What if the draft is for something like the war in Iraq or any other number of military adventures that don't actually increase the security of the country? Are drafts OK then? As an anarchist, I say no, the state does not have the right to force me into its armed forces.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Do you have a right to force people to fight for you? Yes or no? Why would it be any different for the government?

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

    I personally believed that it does if that country is going to survive.
    Generally I oppose conscription and mandatory service. Sovereignty of our own bodies should be a founding pillar of our conception of civil rights, I can't think of many rights that are more crucial. However under certain circumstances I'm willing to play the hypocrite and acknowledge that I'm being one. I'm willing to embrace a violation of your rights in the pursuit of a specific utilitarian goal--namely the preservation of the country that I live and prosper in and to accelerate the end of existential conflicts that challenge it. Conscription should be one of the gravest and little used powers a democracy exercises. I'm completely opposed to its casual use as a means of inculcating 'civic virtue'.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Governments don't have rights against their people. They have powers.

    But mustering -- or drafting -- in defense of the nation is surely a legitimate power.

    Of course, one of the few things I agreed with Eugene V. Debs on was that the 13th Amendment took that power away from the US government.

    It says:


    Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]
    It differentiated involuntary servitude, which drafted military service is, from slavery, and it carved out one, that is, ONE exception to involuntary servitude, and that was as punishment for crime after due conviction. It did not exempt military service from the prohibition.

    Some argue that the power to draft comes from the militia clauses of Article I, which I wouldn't really dispute, but that doesn't matter -- the 13th Amendment is sweeping, broad, and would supersede any previous clause.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

    I personally believed that is does if that country is going to survive.
    I can't imagine why not. It'd probably be tough to pass in Congress, but if our country were threatened and that was really the only way? It'd happen. I rather doubt it will ever again be necessary. I think our technology has done away with the need for bodies. *shrug*

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    I don't like the idea, but i accept that it is sometimes necessary. When the freedom and protection of the country as a whole depends on the numbers defending it, then in the name of its people and their continued safety, drafting could be considered ok
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    I think we should all have skin in the game, so I am all for the draft. I think it would stop the silly wars.

    But on the other side. When I went in the service there were still many around who remembered the draft and hated it. Said people who were drafted were **** birds, a common Marine Corps term for not very high functioning military personnel. I dont believe Marines were ever drafted, but the old guys around here probably know more. Not mentioning any names...you know who you are.
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