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Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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Henrin said:
I don't even know where I would get one of those.
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I think it was drafted Saul Alinsky and edited by Obama's former Pastor
 
Muhammed said:
No American was ever drafted to go to the Iraq war. It was a volunteer force.

WWI, WWII, Vietnam... totally different story.
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I never said they were. Please read more carefully.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
I never said they were. Please read more carefully.
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Yes I know. I never said you did. I just thought I'd make that perfectly clear to others in the forum. The USA did not draft any slaves to fight in the Iraq war.

That is a very distinct difference between the major political parties in the USA on the federal level. The Democrats have always supported slavery and the Republicans have always been opposed to it.
 
shrubnose said:
That's your choice.

Lots of people who have made that choice ended up behind bars.
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Many went to Canada, but kissed the ground when they were given amnesty and were able to come home.
 
Henrin said:
At a certain point if the government is going to claim they govern by consent they should actually offer a chance to provide it. Otherwise, it's just a government based on political slavery just like all other governments that came before it and no more worthy of governance than they were.

It really makes no difference if the governance provides people with benefits if those people never consented to the governance or to the benefits that are being provided. They are no more worthy of consideration than any other person or body of persons that provide people services without their consent. They are no more deservant of payment or service as anyone else you never consented to do business with.



I have no reason to move out of my home because a body of people that I never consented to offered me a choice regardless of what that choice might be.
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Someone in your family certainly did, unless you are Native American, and you are bound by their choice...Otherwise, Uncle Fidel would gladly offer you a new home...
 
Henrin said:
Gender equality in the military is just a political tool and as the draft rules and physical standards show there is no seriousness behind it.
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Do not belittle the many women who have already come home in body bags or with missing limbs...
 
Henrin said:
I have no obligation towards those that came before me and decided to fight for causes they found agreeable nor do I have an obligation towards the country as a whole that i never offered my consent to be part of. Just as the founders of this country swore no alliance to the king of england, I swore no alliance to the rulers of this land. Just as the founders had no obligation to fight for the causes of those that came before them, I have no obligation to fight for the causes of those that came before me. Just as those that came before me had the right to decide on their own free will what causes they were wiling to fight for, I have the right to decide on causes I am willing to fight for. Just because I was born under the rule of a body of people that wish to maintain their rule does not mean I'm obligated to assist them in their cause and grant them their desires. Just because I was born in a community of men, women and children in a certain land does not mean that I'm obligated to protect them or their property and die for their causes.
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I would bet that you are not a real popular guy...
 
cpgrad08 said:
This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

I personally believed that it does if that country is going to survive.


Added in:

In regards to the United States I'm talking about an official declaration of war being declared.
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I would agree with you in principal. There are a few touchy questions though. The consciences objection thing is rather intractable. But to do away with that opt out is not viable in a country like the USA.
 
Juanita said:
I would bet that you are not a real popular guy...
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On the other hand it is the sign of a healthy liberal society that allows someone to talk like that.
 
I would not volunteer for an army with conscripts. They are unreliable; they are infamous for breaking rank, allowing lines to fall and retreating. The unit I served with has always been volunteers only.

I would not support a draft, regardless of circumstance. Either the will to win exists, or it doesn't. I believe that holds true for individuals as well as units and countries.
 
First, I did serve, and for a very long time, as enlisted and officer in the infantry of the United States Army. I do not believe in the draft, for two reasons. One, our Army is of a much higher caliber war fighting capability as a professional, volunteer force than at any time in the past when it relied on the draft. That is true in any organizational behavior. People perform a lot better when they want to be there.

Two, I just don't believe in the draft. I don't believe the government has any business telling its citizens who its enemies are, pulling them off their farms or out of their homes, then sending them here and there to kill people that have never done them any harm at all. Those old boogeyman stories about "well, if we don't go and fight the Hun over there, then he'll be over here in no time," are tactics of the past when people could easily be boondoggled.
 
JJB3333 said:
I don't like the idea, but i accept that it is sometimes necessary. When the freedom and protection of the country as a whole depends on the numbers defending it, then in the name of its people and their continued safety, drafting could be considered ok
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I'm wondering: Will the draft include females? What will the cut off age be? Will being a college student exempt you from being drafted?
 
Juanita said:
Someone in your family certainly did, unless you are Native American, and you are bound by their choice...Otherwise, Uncle Fidel would gladly offer you a new home...
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It really doesn't make a difference if they consented or not as that means nothing to mine.

Juanita said:
Do not belittle the many women who have already come home in body bags or with missing limbs...
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I don't happen to find that telling the truth of a political agenda is belittling those that fall at its feet.

Juanita said:
I would bet that you are not a real popular guy...
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I don't doubt many people don't care for my flat out rejection of falsehoods they try to push on me.
 
Amanda1858 said:
I'm wondering: Will the draft include females? What will the cut off age be? Will being a college student exempt you from being drafted?
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no
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yes
 
Amanda1858 said:
I'm wondering: Will the draft include females? What will the cut off age be? Will being a college student exempt you from being drafted?
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Well, a good drafting system would "involve" everyone in some way at some time. If a college student has time to drink and party there are any number of ways they could contribute to the war effort in their own town, even if it was only working a part-time job so that some of the wealth earned could be applied to the war, at, say, a tax -- a "War Tax." Anything that keeps the war in public thought is acceptable. One possible exemption would be people who have to work so much to put themselves through school that they don't have the time or money to contribute, although TBH under ideal reforms such people wouldn't exist because a college education would be more fiscally accessible. If jobs aren't available in the local economy, the government can recruit and task them with pubic service work.

Naturally, if civilization is in immediate danger of collapse and the entire population at risk of death or enslavement, almost everybody could be put on the front lines.

As far as female soldiers go, sure, but those unfit for service could be "drafted" in similar terms to those outlined above.
 
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Juanita said:
Many went to Canada, but kissed the ground when they were given amnesty and were able to come home.
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If a country is going to remain a free, independent country it must have the ability to draft its citizens into its military if necessary.

Right now the USA has an all-volunteer military.

Will that always be enough to defend the USA?

Who knows?
 
Hell no. Conscription is slavery.
 
Amanda1858 said:
I'm wondering: Will the draft include females? What will the cut off age be? Will being a college student exempt you from being drafted?
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well the last was a concept was used in the vietnam draft, and is unlikely to change. On the other hand, as we now have so many feminists out there going for equal rights and end of segregation, they have to realize they will now be on the same pin head men are for drafting, just waiting for the message. They will have ended 200 some years of keeping women who didn't want to serve out of thee blood bath of war. They should know that every time one of them is drafted, beaten, sexually assaulted in the military, killed, it will be their fault for sending them there.

Now just for clarification, i am not saying that women should not have equal rights and be treated equally. Bt they must accept when all of that equality comes knocking on their door.
 
Summerwind said:
Only if it's a legal war having gone through all the constitutionally mandated steps.
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And what would those be? What is a constitutional war, one that is approved by Congress? What if the President disagrees?
 
cpgrad08 said:
Draft should include women in today's world.
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That sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

If women can volunteer to join the U.S. Military why shouldn't they be drafted under the same conditions that they currently serve under/
 
Juanita said:
Many went to Canada, but kissed the ground when they were given amnesty and were able to come home.
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Well half of them stayed and many of them became influential as most of them were educated.
 
shrubnose said:
That sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

If women can volunteer to join the U.S. Military why shouldn't they be drafted under the same conditions that they currently serve under/
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Yep, if women are equal to men ( which they are) then should be required to sign up for selective service just like the their equal male counterparts.
 
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