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Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

Draft?

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Jredbaron96 said:
So yeah, really bad soldier.
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Did you expect that I would be a great solider willing to kill all your enemies? I'm not overly motivated to care about that. How about I just join your enemies instead? If they will have me I would gladly join them and fight my now established enemy. They probably wouldn't be interested in that though. Oh well, I'll think of something. Maybe you guys will sign me on as a drone operator. That has some potential.

Yes, we're very evil because our country, the one that you live in, are a citizen of, and benefit from, is being invaded and we want you to help us.
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You're evil because you ignored my desire to not help you.
 
Henrin said:
Did you expect that I would be a great solider willing to kill all your enemies?
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Maybe you'd be a medic.

How about I just join your enemies instead?
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Go ahead, traitor.

If they will have me I would gladly join them and fight my now established enemy.
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YA ever thought, just for a moment, that the enemy might be the people who are invading your homeland?


You're evil because you ignored my desire to not help you.
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Then leave. If you're not willing to defend your homeland, you're not deserving of it.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Maybe you'd be a medic.
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Well, that wouldn't be all that bright.

Go ahead, traitor.
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A traitor, you say? Now there is an interesting concept. Who do you think decides who and for what reason someone is a traitor? I seem to be under the rule of no authority and so it puzzles me how I can be a traitor outside of the declaration of the view of the government. Nothing else that I can imagine would find me as such.

YA ever thought, just for a moment, that the enemy might be the people who are invading your homeland?
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As long as I secure my family and those I care for there is hardly anything to concern myself with. I would join their cause and when you are defeated live in some foreign land for the rest of my life.

Then leave. If you're not willing to defend your homeland, you're not deserving of it.
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No.
 
Henrin said:
Well, that wouldn't be all that bright.
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Not an easy job, I'll admit.


A traitor, you say? Now there is a interesting concept. Who do you think decides who and for what reason someone is a traitor? I seem to be under the rule of no authority and so it puzzles me how I can be a traitor outside of the declaration of the view of the government. Nothing else that I can imagine would find me as such.
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So yeah, you'd be a traitor. Glad we got that established.


As long as I secure my family and those I care for there is hardly anything to concern myself with. I would join their cause and when you are defeated live in some foreign land for the rest of my life.
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Well aren't you a team player.



No.
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Wow, stunning response!

Oh wait.

No.
 
danielpalos said:
No it doesn't; it merely enumerates what is necessary to the security of a free State.
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This is really stupid. and you ignore the 13th amendment
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Not an easy job, I'll admit.
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And not one that is wise to grant me either.

So yeah, you'd be a traitor. Glad we got that established.
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The people that make the rules get to declare whomever they please as a traitor even if such a declaration is impossible to have merit. Tell me, how could I possibly be a traitor? I never declared loyalty to anyone, did I? Let me guess, I'm supposed to consider any coerced pledges the government forces on me after I sign up of merit, right? Haha..no. If you coerce me to pledge allegiance to you it of no authority over me and I have no reason to consider it. You wasted your time and were quite wrong if you thought I would obey anything you forced on me.

Well aren't you a team player.
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I don't really consider myself part of some sort of team. They are just something I find I can use to my advantage and really nothing more. Why would I consider either side of this little silly and rather pointless affair anything else?


Wow, stunning response!

Oh wait.

No.
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I don't honestly care if you think I'm deserving of anything, so the answer to you is no.
 
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Henrin said:
And not one that is wise to grant me either.
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I'll put you down as a maybe.



The people that make the rules get to declare whomever they please as a traitor even if such a declaration is impossible to have merit.
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that's straight out of the traitor handbook.



I don't really consider myself part of some sort of team. They are just something I find I can use to my advantage and really nothing more. Why would I consider either side of this little silly and rather pointless affair anything else?
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So you're just self-centered. Good to know.



I don't honestly care if you think I'm deserving of anything, so the answer to you is no.
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Cool story, bro.
 
Yes, but only if we're invaded.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I'll put you down as a maybe.
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Do you really want a medic that has no willingness to be there and little willingness to help?

that's straight out of the traitor handbook.
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I can't be a traitor to something I never agreed to nor does that groups decisions on what a traitor is of any value to me.



So you're just self-centered. Good to know.
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Well, what do you think you're doing when you draft people into service? Do you think you are treating them like your brother, like a comrade, your friend? No, you're using them to your advantage to get something out of them you want. You're not respecting them as people or respecting their wishes, but threatening them with violence to get them to risk their lives so that you can have another hired gun, another trained killer to protect you.

While defecting might not be something you would do, I feel no guilt in saying I would do it if forced into military service. I fight my enemies, and have little interest in joining them, but if offered the choice between fighting those that forced me to be their servants and fighting those conquering their lands there is little doubt I'm going to pick those conquering the lands over my oppressors. I'm not joining them because I find their cause to be noble or something I agree with, but because I will have my revenge on those that wanted me as their slave.
 
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Henrin said:
Do you really want a medic that has no willingness to be there and little willingness to help?
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We'll motivate you.



I can't be a traitor to something I never agreed to nor does that groups decisions on what a traitor is of any value to me.
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Still a traitor.



Well, what do you think you're doing when you draft people into service? Do you think you are treating them like your brother, like a comrade, your friend? No, you're using them to your advantage to get something out of them you want. You're not respecting them as people or respecting their wishes, but threatening them with violence to get them to risk their lives so that you can have another hired gun, another trained killer to protect you.
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You're not protecting me. You're defending the homeland.

While defecting might not be something you would do, I feel no guilt in saying I would do it if forced into military service. I fight my enemies, and have little interest in joining them, but if offered the choice between fighting those that forced me to be their servants and fighting those conquering their lands there is little doubt I'm going to pick those conquering the lands over my oppressors. I'm not joining them because I find their cause to be noble or something I agree with, but because I will have my revenge on those that wanted me as their slave.
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What a treasonous traitor you are.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
We'll motivate you.
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Do your worst and I will be sure to return the favor.



Still a traitor.
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I would be a traitor to no one as I made no allegiances to anyone on my own free will. Coerce me into an oath if it makes you feel better, but I assure you a coerced oath is no oath at all. I will betray no one regardless of any decisions I make.



You're not protecting me. You're defending the homeland.
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I have more interest in protecting people than defending land I will never own. The only land I'm interested in defending is the land that is mine.

What a treasonous traitor you are.
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Justice can appear like treason to those that are deserving of it.
 
Henrin said:
Do your worst and I will be sure to return the favor.





I would be a traitor to no one as I made no allegiances to anyone on my own free will. Coerce me into an oath if it makes you feel better, but I assure you a coerced oath is no oath at all. I will betray no one regardless of any decisions I make.





I have more interest in protecting people than defending land I will never own. The only land I'm interested in defending is the land that is mine.



Justice can appear like treason to those that are deserving of it.
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So you admit you're a self centered traitor. Glad we got that down.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
So you admit you're a self centered traitor. Glad we got that down.
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I grow tired of explaining the basics to you on why it is impossible for a common man to be a traitor. How about instead of accusing me of treason you tell me how that is even possible.
 
Henrin said:
I grow tired of explaining the basics to you on why it is impossible for a common man to be a traitor. How about instead of accusing me of treason you tell me how that is even possible.
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Simple. You're going against our homeland. That makes you a traitor.


Next!
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple. You're going against our homeland. That makes you a traitor.


Next!
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In order for that to have meaning I would have had to offer my consent to this governance at some point and made a oath of allegiance to this land.

Btw, this oath is invalid..

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
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You can't renounce allegiances you never made or fidelities that never existed. Furthermore, you can not create fidelities by law. Lastly, since it is coerced by law the oath is not made on the free will of those making it and thus is invalid.
 
Henrin said:
In order for that to have meaning I would have had to offer my consent to this governance at some point and made a oath of allegiance to this land.

Btw, this oath is invalid..



You can't renounce allegiances you never made or fidelities that never existed. Furthermore, you can not create fidelities by law.
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So now you're denying refusing to be an American. Man, you're such a traitor.
 
Henrin said:
You can't renounce allegiances you never made or fidelities that never existed. Furthermore, you can not create fidelities by law.
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At some point in life, probably grade school, I would assume you have said the pledge of allegiance at least once. I'm not saying it should matter, but you have most likely pledged your allegiance.
 
Kreton said:
At some point in life, probably grade school, I would assume you have said the pledge of allegiance at least once. I'm not saying it should matter, but you have most likely pledged your allegiance.
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I don't recall ever saying it. I will however say that since it is coerced by the school and made by children that don't understand it there is no allegiance declared.
 
Henrin said:
I don't recall ever saying it. I will however say that since it is coerced by the school and made by children that don't understand it there is no allegiance declared.
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A pledge is a pledge. Like I said, I dont think it should matter. I am simply saying that most Americans have said the pledge of allegiance.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
So now you're denying refusing to be an American. Man, you're such a traitor.
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I have been denying offering my consent or making any sort of allegiance for many pages now. In order for someone to be a traitor they would have had to break their word and commitment to the land, but if neither was made or offered it is impossible to be a traitor.
 
Kreton said:
A pledge is a pledge. Like I said, I dont think it should matter. I am simply saying that most Americans have said the pledge of allegiance.
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A coerced pledge is not a pledge at all and one without understanding by those far to young to grasp the meaning of it is not one that is bidding. I would also imagine the government has no way to know for sure that I ever made this pledge even if I went to their schools.
 
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