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Thread: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You speak of something based on falsehoods and lies. I speak of the truth and how things actually are outside of the brainwashing that you have endured. If you want to know the truth those men that signed the Constitution are about the only men that ever offered their consent to it.
    Once again you're free to believe what you want, no matter how disconnected from reality it is. However, your actual behavior is constrained by law that you are subject to as long as you continue to be a US citizen, which is entirely by your own choice.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure...as a minor I can see that being true. At a certain point you have a lifetime of reaping the benefits of US citizenship. Enforcement of laws, protection of property, protection of rights, those paid for by taxes and people risking their lives.
    At a certain point if the government is going to claim they govern by consent they should actually offer a chance to provide it. Otherwise, it's just a government based on political slavery just like all other governments that came before it and no more worthy of governance than they were.

    It really makes no difference if the governance provides people with benefits if those people never consented to the governance or to the benefits that are being provided. They are no more worthy of consideration than any other person or body of persons that provide people services without their consent. They are no more deservant of payment or service as anyone else you never consented to do business with.

    It seems like you just want a one way street. All the benefits a society can provide and non of the sacrifice required to make that society work. This is coming from a person that hates the "if you don't like it here move" or "The US is always right" lines. So what happens if there was a choice...either you enter the draft or have to renounce your citizenship and leave. Would you see that as fair or not fair?
    I have no reason to move out of my home because a body of people that I never consented to offered me a choice regardless of what that choice might be.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I believe if that if are equal to men then they should be required to sign up for selective services as well.
    Signing up is not the same as calling up. When we start seeing young women (non-volunteers) coming back with parts missing or in body bags any politician that voted for that is history. It is time, actually, way past time, to stop pretending that having different military physical standards and duty assignments based on gender is equality. IMHO, a draft would force an end to that practice.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The draft would likely never happen again because of gender equality. To few military positions exist, outside of ground pounding infantry, that would benefit from a draft. Placing an equal amount of men and women in those positions is not going to happen.
    Gender equality in the military is just a political tool and as the draft rules and physical standards show there is no seriousness behind it.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Gender equality in the military is just a political tool and as the draft rules and physical standards show there is no seriousness behind it.
    Exactly, yet nobody is taking exception to having a male only draft registration. The "feminists" are not objecting to that "good" inequality. Just as those that say medical care insurance actuarial risk should not be based on gender (since women would pay more) but it is fine for auto insurance actuarial risk (since women now pay less).
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin;1062613905[B
    ]I resent this land being called the USA as it does not represent anything it stood for and anything I find of value.
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    One of the great things about the USA is that people can say things like you just said and they don't get locked up for it.

    Some of the citizens of the USA are ready to go to war and take a chance on losing their lifes to protect the rights that they have as U.S.citizens.

    Others-not so much.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    One of the great things about the USA is that people can say things like you just said and they don't get locked up for it.

    Some of the citizens of the USA are ready to go to war and take a chance on losing their lifes to protect the rights that they have as U.S.citizens.

    Others-not so much.
    I am far more willing to fight the government than fight for the government at this point.

    It's telling that people find it worthy of note that they don't get jailed for speaking their mind.
    Last edited by Henrin; 12-02-13 at 03:46 PM.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I am far more willing to fight the government than fight for the government at this point.

    It's telling that people find it worthy of note that they don't get jailed for speaking their mind.



    In some countries on this planet not only do you get thrown in jail for speaking out against the government lots of other bad things happen to you.

    And if you try to leave you might end up under the ground. (North Korea is a good example of this.)

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Of course, long as it's a legal war that's gone through the steps as others have said and a draft is necessary.

    So, like WW2, for example -- crucial war in human history. You have a duty to defend your country.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    In some countries on this planet not only do you get thrown in jail for speaking out against the government lots of other bad things happen to you.

    And if you try to leave you might end up under the ground. (North Korea is a good example of this.)
    In this country we do get thrown in jail for speaking our mind or at the very least acted on in some sort of way. We might be able to say a great deal more than people in North Korea, but don't fool yourself into thinking you are free and can actually speak your mind.

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