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Thread: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

    I personally believed that it does if that country is going to survive.


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    In regards to the United States I'm talking about an official declaration of war being declared.
    To repel an invasion, yes. Not so much for a war of convenience. In that case the government can settle with volunteers.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well that is an interesting concept as it argues that the state has rights. What if the draft is for something like the war in Iraq or any other number of military adventures that don't actually increase the security of the country? Are drafts OK then?
    As an anarchist, I say no, the state does not have the right to force me into its armed forces.


    We'll wait and see how that works out when you get your notice to report for duty.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Hell, I think some mandatory form of military/public/government service for a year would be great for the UK, and probably every other nation.
    I would not favor that until the US is restricted to only its Constitutional roles and only under a Sate militia not Federally.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you have a right to force people to fight for you? Yes or no?
    Why would it be any different for the government?



    Because if you don't do what the government tells you to do it can lock you up in prison?

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Because if you don't do what the government tells you to do it can lock you up in prison?
    Funny you seem to think that gives it moral authority. Must be a European thing.

    My answer is absolutely not, under no circumstances. A government might have the moral authority to require that all of its citizens receive military training-- something I support-- but if it can't sustain its foreign policy on the efforts of a professional volunteer military, it needs to rethink that foreign policy. And if the people are incapable of defending themselves in a homefront guerrilla war, their weakness and lack of moral character marks them as unfit to govern themselves in the first place.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We'll wait and see how that works out when you get your notice to report for duty.
    Yeah. I just won't go.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Doesn't the Judiciary also weigh the intent of an amendment or constitutional clause as well as it's textual literalism?
    Only if a case is brought forth concerning it. That, of course, did happen, and in The Selective Draft Law Cases, the Supreme Court simply dismissed the question without discussion:

    Finally, as we are unable to conceive upon what theory the exaction by government from the citizen of the performance of his supreme and noble duty of contributing to the defense of the rights and honor of the nation, as the result of a war declared by the great representative body of the people, can be said to be the imposition of involuntary servitude in violation of the prohibitions of the Thirteenth Amendment, we are constrained to the conclusion that the contention to that effect is refuted by its mere statement.
    Considering that we maintained a conscripted military and continued to draft troops after the amendment was passed during the Civil War it seems that this was hardly the intent of Congress.
    No, conscription enrollment had ended (last done in December 1864) by the time of the Amendment's passage (April 1865). The conscriptees had not all been released yet, though.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Only if a case is brought forth concerning it. That, of course, did happen, and in The Selective Draft Law Cases, the Supreme Court simply dismissed the question without discussion:
    Finally, as we are unable to conceive upon what theory the exaction by government from the citizen of the performance of his supreme and noble duty of contributing to the defense of the rights and honor of the nation, as the result of a war declared by the great representative body of the people, can be said to be the imposition of involuntary servitude in violation of the prohibitions of the Thirteenth Amendment, we are constrained to the conclusion that the contention to that effect is refuted by its mere statement.
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    I suppose it's comforting, on some level, to know that the Court's and the government's inability to read and comprehend plain ****ing English is not a recent development.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    So there are people who want a social contract to exist when it is something they want to force on others, but when it is something that they don't want forced onto themselves, the social contract doesn't apply.

    Then there are others who want to be able to pick and choose when something applies. Bad "foreign adventures" are to be avoided, good "foreign adventures" are to be supported. By that logic, eventually you are just left with the people willing to pick up the pitchfork when the foreign troops are marching up their street but not their neighbors street.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Because if you don't do what the government tells you to do it can lock you up in prison?
    No matter if its the government or a common thug if you don't obey their orders they could cause a great deal of harm on to you. I'm not overly convinced that the actions of the government are warranted simply because they go by the name of the US government and not by the name of a common thug.

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