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Thread: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The civil war is not a good example, lol. As for WW2, I believe more volunteered than were drafted, but I'm not 100% on that.
    Whether it was higher or lower the fact remains that it would have meant less manpower for the war effort. I also think the Civil War is actually a very good example as it highlights the occasional importance of embarking on a utilitarian goal despite contemporary misgivings.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Whether it was higher or lower the fact remains that it would have meant less manpower for the war effort. I also think the Civil War is actually a very good example as it highlights the occasional importance of embarking on a utilitarian goal despite contemporary misgivings.
    The civil war resulted in the greatest losses of freedom this country has ever known. Naturally, a draft was needed to bring that about, lol.


    And therein lies the evil of drafting.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Forcible draft is a barbaric practice that was inevitable at some point, as a survival matter, but can be phased out of existence as professional military becomes both sufficient and more adequate for defense.

    This is a part of the general civilizational trend toward "less slavery" (of whatever form and degree) - progress, you know.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The civil war resulted in the greatest losses of freedom this country has ever known. Naturally, a draft was needed to bring that about, lol.


    And therein lies the evil of drafting.
    Ah. You're one of those people. I'll prevent this thread from devolving and cut this off.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The civil war resulted in the greatest losses of freedom this country has ever known. Naturally, a draft was needed to bring that about, lol.


    And therein lies the evil of drafting.
    "The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects what they thus lost they have never got back." -- H.L. Mencken

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Absolutely not. We have the right to refuse to kill. People will line up around the block to join the military in a war of self-defense - the only type of conflict where a draft could even be considered to be justified. All other conflicts must be fought entirely by volunteers, and some of our military exploits, such as Vietnam, should never have been undertaken in the first place, but especially not by enslaved college-age kids.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Absolutely not. We have the right to refuse to kill. People will line up around the block to join the military in a war of self-defense - the only type of conflict where a draft could even be considered to be justified. All other conflicts must be fought entirely by volunteers, and some of our military exploits, such as Vietnam, should never have been undertaken in the first place, but especially not by enslaved college-age kids.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I wanted to repost my response from earlier: Generally I oppose conscription and mandatory service. Sovereignty of our own bodies should be a founding pillar of our conception of civil rights, I can't think of many rights that are more crucial. However under certain circumstances I'm willing to play the hypocrite and acknowledge that I'm being one. I'm willing to embrace a violation of your rights in the pursuit of a specific utilitarian goal--namely the preservation of the country that I live and prosper in and to accelerate the end of existential conflicts that challenge it. Conscription should be one of the gravest and little used powers a democracy exercises. I'm completely opposed to its casual use as a means of inculcating 'civic virtue'.
    If conscription is resorted to, the country is already lost. If a country devolves to the point where it forces its citizens to fight its wars, the country is no longer worth fighting for.

    Looking more specifically at the US, the reason there are threats of us having to fight in wars and force citiznes to participate is because we act as meddling aggressors around the globe, intervening in conflicts everywhere and creating our own. Maybe without the guarantee of an army to support this nonsense our government would pick its conflicts more carefully.

    Finally, the idea that the only way for a country to defend itself is through compulsory military service is absolute hogwash. If more soldiers are needed, hire mercenaries. Offer more incentives to join the military. It is a huge and unwarranted leap of logic to assume that no conscription will result in failure to preserve one's country.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    If conscription is resorted to, the country is already lost. If a country devolves to the point where it forces its citizens to fight its wars, the country is no longer worth fighting for.

    Looking more specifically at the US, the reason there are threats of us having to fight in wars and force citiznes to participate is because we act as meddling aggressors around the globe, intervening in conflicts everywhere and creating our own. Maybe without the guarantee of an army to support this nonsense our government would pick its conflicts more carefully.

    Finally, the idea that the only way for a country to defend itself is through compulsory military service is absolute hogwash. If more soldiers are needed, hire mercenaries. Offer more incentives to join the military. It is a huge and unwarranted leap of logic to assume that no conscription will result in failure to preserve one's country.
    Then why did the USA win WW2 ( they used the draft) if a country has lost already if they draft?

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