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Thread: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do your worst and I will be sure to return the favor.





    I would be a traitor to no one as I made no allegiances to anyone on my own free will. Coerce me into an oath if it makes you feel better, but I assure you a coerced oath is no oath at all. I will betray no one regardless of any decisions I make.





    I have more interest in protecting people than defending land I will never own. The only land I'm interested in defending is the land that is mine.



    Justice can appear like treason to those that are deserving of it.
    So you admit you're a self centered traitor. Glad we got that down.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    So you admit you're a self centered traitor. Glad we got that down.
    I grow tired of explaining the basics to you on why it is impossible for a common man to be a traitor. How about instead of accusing me of treason you tell me how that is even possible.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I grow tired of explaining the basics to you on why it is impossible for a common man to be a traitor. How about instead of accusing me of treason you tell me how that is even possible.
    Simple. You're going against our homeland. That makes you a traitor.


    Next!
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Simple. You're going against our homeland. That makes you a traitor.


    Next!
    In order for that to have meaning I would have had to offer my consent to this governance at some point and made a oath of allegiance to this land.

    Btw, this oath is invalid..

    "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
    You can't renounce allegiances you never made or fidelities that never existed. Furthermore, you can not create fidelities by law. Lastly, since it is coerced by law the oath is not made on the free will of those making it and thus is invalid.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In order for that to have meaning I would have had to offer my consent to this governance at some point and made a oath of allegiance to this land.

    Btw, this oath is invalid..



    You can't renounce allegiances you never made or fidelities that never existed. Furthermore, you can not create fidelities by law.
    So now you're denying refusing to be an American. Man, you're such a traitor.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You can't renounce allegiances you never made or fidelities that never existed. Furthermore, you can not create fidelities by law.
    At some point in life, probably grade school, I would assume you have said the pledge of allegiance at least once. I'm not saying it should matter, but you have most likely pledged your allegiance.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    At some point in life, probably grade school, I would assume you have said the pledge of allegiance at least once. I'm not saying it should matter, but you have most likely pledged your allegiance.
    I don't recall ever saying it. I will however say that since it is coerced by the school and made by children that don't understand it there is no allegiance declared.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't recall ever saying it. I will however say that since it is coerced by the school and made by children that don't understand it there is no allegiance declared.
    A pledge is a pledge. Like I said, I dont think it should matter. I am simply saying that most Americans have said the pledge of allegiance.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    So now you're denying refusing to be an American. Man, you're such a traitor.
    I have been denying offering my consent or making any sort of allegiance for many pages now. In order for someone to be a traitor they would have had to break their word and commitment to the land, but if neither was made or offered it is impossible to be a traitor.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    A pledge is a pledge. Like I said, I dont think it should matter. I am simply saying that most Americans have said the pledge of allegiance.
    A coerced pledge is not a pledge at all and one without understanding by those far to young to grasp the meaning of it is not one that is bidding. I would also imagine the government has no way to know for sure that I ever made this pledge even if I went to their schools.

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