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Thread: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you just don't get it-it was about us being able to keep and bear arms because a standing army is a necessary evil. It in NO WAY empowers the federal government to create an army or draft people and the several states already had the power to create state militias.
    No it doesn't; it merely enumerates what is necessary to the security of a free State.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    By my arguments, yes, you do.
    Why? How is your demands any different than the demands of anyone else? Why do people owe you payment for services you provide without their consent, but no one else is owed payment for services they provide people without their consent?

    The example isn't comparable, although it would be decent to pay him something since he is trying to show he has the will to work and such impulses ought to be rewarded. If he was provided the necessary direction, he might be educated to be
    something more than just a homeless man.
    It would be decent to help him regardless of him providing you service, since he is fellow human being in need. That doesn't mean however, you have an obligation to pay him if he provides you services without your consent.

    Anyway, your car or its wind shield doesn't cease to exist if the homeless man doesn't wash it. Property without the security of the body politic is just a material object waiting for somebody stronger to come and take it.
    All things can be aggressed upon and can be destroyed without proper protection. Let us change the argument then. Lets say I was part of a band of mercenaries and decided that I would provide my services to you and demand payment from you for this services. I never asked you if you agreed to my protection nor did I show any sort of inclination to care of any objection that you might have given. I simply decided that you will have my protection and I will have my payment in exchange for it. If you fail to pay me then I will throw you into my dungeon with other men that have been starved of female companionship for far to long. Sound familiar yet?

    If I leave you be, then the outsiders who are interested in our property and lands will *know* our country is populated by people who may not necessarily contribute to the defense and a body politic that isn't willing to make them. It's precisely for such reasons why a country with strong national organization like Denmark was able to dominate its more libertarian neighbors (like Norway) during the Dark Ages. That means that myself, my family, friends, and community may be conquered and our lives and futures made tertiary to interest of a foreign power, like the dominions of the British Empire were tertiary those of England (and suffered because of it).

    The consequences to the things and people I cherish are far too high to risk "leaving you be."
    If you force me into your ranks you will have another gun, that much is true, but you will also have introduced an element into your ranks that doesn't care for the group and will always be looking for a chance to kill the commanding officers if the chance presents itself. It is up to you to decide if that makes you stronger or weaker.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Governments don't have rights against their people. They have powers.

    But mustering -- or drafting -- in defense of the nation is surely a legitimate power.

    Of course, one of the few things I agreed with Eugene V. Debs on was that the 13th Amendment took that power away from the US government.

    It says:



    It differentiated involuntary servitude, which drafted military service is, from slavery, and it carved out one, that is, ONE exception to involuntary servitude, and that was as punishment for crime after due conviction. It did not exempt military service from the prohibition.

    Some argue that the power to draft comes from the militia clauses of Article I, which I wouldn't really dispute, but that doesn't matter -- the 13th Amendment is sweeping, broad, and would supersede any previous clause.
    As much as I agree with your legal assessment I disagree that this is how it should be.

    If people do not care enough about their nation to fight for it then the nation will simply be taken over. People will fight if they care. The government should have no say, especially in a war that was never officially declared.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Doesn't really matter how you feel, does it?
    If I felt wronged I could very well decide to waste time or do a bad job if I felt inclined, and I would.

    What a patriot.
    Who do you think I will consider my enemy if you draft me into war? Why would I consider your enemy my enemy when they never did a thing to me, but you surely did? What makes you think you won't be my enemy?

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I felt wronged I could very well decide to waste time or do a bad job if I felt inclined, and I would.
    So yeah, really bad soldier.


    Who do you think I will consider my enemy if you draft me into war? Why would I consider your enemy my enemy when they never did a thing to me, but you surely did? What makes you think you won't be my enemy?
    Yes, we're very evil because our country, the one that you live in, are a citizen of, and benefit from, is being invaded and we want you to help us.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    So yeah, really bad soldier.
    Did you expect that I would be a great solider willing to kill all your enemies? I'm not overly motivated to care about that. How about I just join your enemies instead? If they will have me I would gladly join them and fight my now established enemy. They probably wouldn't be interested in that though. Oh well, I'll think of something. Maybe you guys will sign me on as a drone operator. That has some potential.

    Yes, we're very evil because our country, the one that you live in, are a citizen of, and benefit from, is being invaded and we want you to help us.
    You're evil because you ignored my desire to not help you.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did you expect that I would be a great solider willing to kill all your enemies?
    Maybe you'd be a medic.

    How about I just join your enemies instead?
    Go ahead, traitor.

    If they will have me I would gladly join them and fight my now established enemy.
    YA ever thought, just for a moment, that the enemy might be the people who are invading your homeland?


    You're evil because you ignored my desire to not help you.
    Then leave. If you're not willing to defend your homeland, you're not deserving of it.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Maybe you'd be a medic.
    Well, that wouldn't be all that bright.

    Go ahead, traitor.
    A traitor, you say? Now there is an interesting concept. Who do you think decides who and for what reason someone is a traitor? I seem to be under the rule of no authority and so it puzzles me how I can be a traitor outside of the declaration of the view of the government. Nothing else that I can imagine would find me as such.

    YA ever thought, just for a moment, that the enemy might be the people who are invading your homeland?
    As long as I secure my family and those I care for there is hardly anything to concern myself with. I would join their cause and when you are defeated live in some foreign land for the rest of my life.

    Then leave. If you're not willing to defend your homeland, you're not deserving of it.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well, that wouldn't be all that bright.
    Not an easy job, I'll admit.


    A traitor, you say? Now there is a interesting concept. Who do you think decides who and for what reason someone is a traitor? I seem to be under the rule of no authority and so it puzzles me how I can be a traitor outside of the declaration of the view of the government. Nothing else that I can imagine would find me as such.
    So yeah, you'd be a traitor. Glad we got that established.


    As long as I secure my family and those I care for there is hardly anything to concern myself with. I would join their cause and when you are defeated live in some foreign land for the rest of my life.
    Well aren't you a team player.



    No.
    Wow, stunning response!

    Oh wait.

    No.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    No it doesn't; it merely enumerates what is necessary to the security of a free State.
    This is really stupid. and you ignore the 13th amendment



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