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Thread: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Our Second Amendment is not repealed by the 13th.
    It is very clear that the 13th amendment forbids all involuntary servitude. Since the draft throws people into the service of the country against their will there is little doubt it is involuntary servitude and thus forbidden by the 13 amendment.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    I never cared for eminent domain as it assumes control over all property and allows the government to ignore the consent of property owners.
    Socialism is a requirement for States and statism to exist via a social Contract; any questions?

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's as much an argument for a better kind of draft than it is for no draft at all. People can be made to contribute or any number of ways.

    Sometimes individuals with specialized training are exactly what the military needs. In Vietnam, my grandfather was an assistant to a medical doctor who got drafted as a colonel.
    I think those drafted have the moral right to resist with arms. They might lose but they are not immoral for killing those who would conscript them



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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this ought to be fun-what do you think the second amendment says

    are you under the delusion that it somehow EMPOWERS the federal government?
    dude, it has to do with security (and presumably the domestic Tranquility) of our free States.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Hell, I think some mandatory form of military/public/government service for a year would be great for the UK, and probably every other nation.
    In the case of Israel, it certainly seems to have fueled political awareness and ingrained a sense of having skin in the game

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is very clear that the 13th amendment forbids all involuntary servitude. Since the draft throws people into the service of the country against their will there is little doubt it is involuntary servitude and thus forbidden by the 13 amendment.
    dude, the security of a free State is a States' right; any questions?

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    dude, the security of a free State is a States' right; any questions?
    By definition, a state that is free can not have a draft if it is to maintain that title.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    dude, it has to do with security (and presumably the domestic Tranquility) of our free States.
    horsecrap. The second amendment is recognition of the natural right of free men to be armed. It has nothing to do with the operation of government



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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think those drafted have the moral right to resist with arms. They might lose but they are not immoral for killing those who would conscript them
    Killing those that desire to force you into service for them can only be described as self defense.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    I can agree that children have no way to offer their consent and thus it is up to the parents to offer it, but once the child is old enough to offer it there is no reason to not give them the chance.
    They do have a perpetual chance. Gather the resources to go someone else and renounce your citizenship.

    It is a completely invalid argument to claim that one must free themselves of slavery if they don't desire to be under the command of others as if their slave holder has a claim to own them that must be thrown to the side for them to no longer be owned.
    'Involuntary' action does not equate with slavery. Not being allowed to make some choices in exchange for having some privileges is exactly what citizenship entails. True slavery is making no meaningful choices for in exchange for no privileges.

    Government is not evolution, but the sign of the failure of the human race to command their own destiny and not be commanded and ruled by their fellow human beings. The very reality that they never consented to it and never organized it only brings to light the reality that government is only a band of thieves, murderers, and slave holders. That government is simply the bane on the existence of the human race and further development of humanity.
    Homo sapiens are "thieves, murderers, and slaveholders" by nature (see what happened to our nearest genetic relatives), so that's about what I would expect. Not having a government in Iceland didn't make its male inhabitants less likely to go raiding for slaves or treasure, and limited legal authority in the West and other frontiers didn't make its inhabitants gentler and less greedy.

    Yes, banding together to protect resources is a great thing, as it will surely be more effective than doing it alone, but it should also be done by the consent of those involved.
    On some levels, that is both possible and the right thing to do. In periods of greater uncertainty and higher danger, it is neither.
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