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Thread: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    only if those who lose a drafted son or daughter have the right to try and execute for murder anyone who makes a decision that needlessly wastes the lives of said child. Under that standard, LBJ and Westmoreland-among others-would have been extinct shortly after the start of vietnam.



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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am thinking about this, I am not sure. You contend your working and paying taxes is far more of a contribution than doing your time in the service?
    You work 30-40 years and half of what you make goes to the governments? that sounds like involuntary servitude to me

    there is no legitimate argument for a draft. If people are actually invading my homeland I will be out there trying to kill them even though I am 54 now. invading Vietnam? we should have executed a bunch of politicians for that abomination



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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Then there is no reason for those who do to allow you to live among them, at least not as a citizen. Since you can't be trusted to contribute in hard times, your rights, happiness, and safety are a tertiary concern to the body politic. Attention and resources must be reserved to those who are prepared to earn standing.
    I never asked to be a citizen or to be under the rule and command of others. It was simply thrust upon me at the demand of those that came before me at my birth. I had no choice in the matter and I have no reason today to feel threatened by the prospect of the abandonment of such forces upon me. Perhaps if those that thrust their rule on me convinced me of their stead I would feel a bit of loss at the idea of abandonment, but they have nothing of the sort, and thus I can feel no loss because of their decision to leave me out of it if that is indeed what they desire to do.

    If the people desire to fight for the causes of a government they never consented to then they have my permission and my best wishes in reaching their goals. The least they can do in kind is offer me permission to not fight for causes that I do not believe in and have no desire to take part in. If they wish to indeed be a society that could possibly convince me to consider them worthy of my consideration and my protection then they must learn to respect my wishes as much as they respect theirs. Otherwise, I will refuse to join them and fight along side them as I will consider them nothing but brutes not deserving of victory.

    The semantics of 'consent' and social contracts are unmeaningful. Participation in our economy and culture entails participation in the community's defense. While exemptions can and should be made for those unable to contribute, able people who refuse to serve as contributors must serve as examples.
    No, participation in an economy means nothing to the communities defense. It merely means that I'm doing what I feel is my own self interest to reach the goals that I feel worthy of my time, efforts and property.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Being a US citizen comes with duties. You have to serve on a jury if called upon, don't you?
    They can force me to show up, but they can not force me to consider it worthy of my time or efforts. If they put me on a jury on a case where they are trying to imprison someone for enjoying drugs they are going to be awarded with nothing but rejection of their case.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you have a right to force people to fight for you? Yes or no? Why would it be any different for the government?
    Because government can do things that individual citizens cannot do.
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never asked to be a citizen or to be under the rule and command of others. It was simply thrust upon me at the demand of those that came before me at my birth. I had no choice in the matter and I have no reason today to feel threatened by the prospect of the abandonment of such forces upon me. QUOTE]
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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    I agree with you about Vietnam but I dont think paying taxes and actually taking a chance of getting shot up are close to the same. I am going to really research Libertarian phliosophy as I have time, there must be something to it I am missing.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You work 30-40 years and half of what you make goes to the governments? that sounds like involuntary servitude to me

    there is no legitimate argument for a draft. If people are actually invading my homeland I will be out there trying to kill them even though I am 54 now. invading Vietnam? we should have executed a bunch of politicians for that abomination
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Yes, it is a States' right.

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When does your sentence to be exiled here in the USA end?
    Will robbing me of my property reward you with merit for your case against me?

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    Re: Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

    I never asked to be a citizen or to be under the rule and command of others. It was simply thrust upon me at the demand of those that came before me at my birth. I had no choice in the matter and I have no reason today to feel threatened by the prospect of the abandonment of such forces upon me. Perhaps if those that thrust their rule on me convinced me of their stead I would feel a bit of loss at the idea of abandonment, but they have nothing of the sort, and thus I can feel no loss because of their decision to leave me out of it if that is indeed what they desire to do.
    The title of citizenship is thrust upon you, like a protective cloak. That is appropriate because homo sapien infants (unlike those of turtles and other species) are not born able to live without the support of their parents and community; they can't acquire foods and have few inborn skills they can make immediate use of. After that, 'citizenship' is a multifaceted, ongoing process, and not a split second decision. It is something that carries over many decisions and actions, something you grow into. But much like the toys or clothing that can be thrown aside as you grow older, citizenship too can be folded away. And it should be taken away from people who don't use it responsibly and put everyone in danger.

    If the people desire to fight for the causes of a government they never consented to then they have my permission and my best wishes in reaching their goals. The least they can do in kind is offer me permission to not fight for causes that I do not believe in and have no desire to take part in. If they wish to indeed be a society that could possibly convince me to consider them worthy of my consideration and my protection then they must learn to respect my wishes as much as they respect theirs. Otherwise, I will refuse to join them and fight along side them as I will consider them nothing but brutes not deserving of victory.
    Human beings can't consent to having a body of laws or a government anymore than they can consent to having an arm. It's part of what we are. The ones who don't have one are at an evolutionary disadvantage and cease to exist unless someone intercedes on their behalf.

    No, participation in an economy means nothing to the communities defense. It merely means that I'm doing what I feel is my own self interest to reach the goals that I feel worthy of my time, efforts and property.
    What you call 'property' barely even exists without the threat of force to protect it. In such situations, it is a fleeting, transient, thing, not the engine of the robust markets characteristic of powerful civilizations. Neither does 'time or safety' or any other resource you use to develop your life exist unless a collective association stands watch over it. The threat of force of a single individual doesn't amount to enough to safeguard property or the economic systems that create it, but that of a whole nation can. That is why conscientious individuals must form a body politic of some sort. People who don't want to be part of the systems that protect property can take their possessions and go somewhere else that will have them, or accept second-class status as non-citizens.
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