View Poll Results: What is you default motive is expressing your views?

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  • Venting; getting it off my chest.

    4 7.69%
  • Bashing those with oppositing points of view.

    5 9.62%
  • Pep-rallying those on my ideolgical team.

    1 1.92%
  • Reaching silent observers who are not pursuaded either way.

    8 15.38%
  • Winning over the hearts and minds of those with opposing views.

    5 9.62%
  • No real objective other than shpening my communications skills.

    12 23.08%
  • Other

    17 32.69%
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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    How is this guy doing now? Better I hope.
    Not sure. He moved and I don't see him much. I spoke with him on the phone a few times and he seems okay but we don't talk about politics.
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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    I look at it this way: 15% will never buy anything from you, 15% will buy almost anything they see and the remaining 70% is salesmanship. Whether you are selling a product, service or simply an idea - it mostly boils down to presentation/persuasion.
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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    I come here to put my finger on the pulse of America
    that's not my pulse
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that's not my pulse
    OK. Sorry
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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    I have no deep subconscious motive. I just enjoy communicating with people, although I read more than I post, and trying to understand views different than my own. I have had some of my opinions altered by what I've learned here; not many, but certainly some. Also, I enjoy getting to know people and have met many here who have added pleasure and enjoyment to my life. And a few jerks I'd like to strangle with a shoelace, but that's a topic for another time.

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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    Self expression is a form of entertainment. Hence, I chose other.

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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I have a friend who asked me to read a chapter in a book he's authoring. He's self publishing at his own expense and he has a history of dumping his hard earned money into his soapbox issues. What I don't get is who is he trying to reach with his book and what impact is he trying to make. I'll add, it seems the only reason he asked me to read a chapter in he book was due to some comments I made to him on politics and that seemingly offended him and that chapter gave his views on the subject. Upon reading it, I'm just shaking me head and I'm not even finished yet. It's filled with polarizing positions, offensive statements and unsubstantiated generalizations one of which is not even close to being true presented as facts.

    I initially thought he was asking for my feedback but after thinking about it, he never asked for it, was motivated by not liking what I had to say on politics in race and only started to act interested in hearing what I had to say AFTER I offered feedback based on an assumption that he wanted to hear what I had to say. He's a good guy and means no offence. I wasn't offended at all but I know others will be if he publishes what he showed me. His problem is he's passionately driven by his political/social ideology, is letting the those with no clue define large demographic groups leaving him with jack squat understanding while making very emphatic statements based on very limited understanding.

    One thing I've learned and still get caught off guard having lapses in judgment in by my participation on discussion boards is how easy it is to unintentionally offend people. Once you've offended someone, it is highly unlikely you'll be able to win them over to seeing things your way. But do most people even care about winning hearts? Are people really just interested in venting? Do people get a sense of internal affirmation by parroting the positions of their ideological team while reaching no one outside of their group? Do people get a charge out of slamming those they consider the opposition whether members the opposition his in the audience or not?

    I'm not asking what makes the most sense now that I'm ranted a bit but what has been you default motive in expressing your views?
    I like being challenged. One of two things come from it if you are truly being open-minded and make a sincere effort to hear the opposition:

    1- Your view is strengthened
    2- Your view evolves

    Either is a great outcome.
    "Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers" - Voltaire
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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    No real objective, I do like to see the expanse of political views on the internet outside of trash heaps like youtube, facebook, or even tumblr that are hardly the bastion of anything great. Not to mention, I observe on here far more than actually posting.

    Though, some of you guys say some crazy ****.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I live to screw with people. Sometimes, however, I do enjoy looking at people who are laughably stupid and posting factual, statistical information to show them how laughably stupid they are. It's usually when leftists have the nerve to discuss finance or economics.
    I hear ya.... like when the Cons think they understand finance, economics, taxes or business....

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    Re: Your subconscious motive in expressing your views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I have a friend who asked me to read a chapter in a book he's authoring. He's self publishing at his own expense and he has a history of dumping his hard earned money into his soapbox issues. What I don't get is who is he trying to reach with his book and what impact is he trying to make. I'll add, it seems the only reason he asked me to read a chapter in he book was due to some comments I made to him on politics and that seemingly offended him and that chapter gave his views on the subject. Upon reading it, I'm just shaking me head and I'm not even finished yet. It's filled with polarizing positions, offensive statements and unsubstantiated generalizations one of which is not even close to being true presented as facts.

    I initially thought he was asking for my feedback but after thinking about it, he never asked for it, was motivated by not liking what I had to say on politics in race and only started to act interested in hearing what I had to say AFTER I offered feedback based on an assumption that he wanted to hear what I had to say. He's a good guy and means no offence. I wasn't offended at all but I know others will be if he publishes what he showed me. His problem is he's passionately driven by his political/social ideology, is letting the those with no clue define large demographic groups leaving him with jack squat understanding while making very emphatic statements based on very limited understanding.

    One thing I've learned and still get caught off guard having lapses in judgment in by my participation on discussion boards is how easy it is to unintentionally offend people. Once you've offended someone, it is highly unlikely you'll be able to win them over to seeing things your way. But do most people even care about winning hearts? Are people really just interested in venting? Do people get a sense of internal affirmation by parroting the positions of their ideological team while reaching no one outside of their group? Do people get a charge out of slamming those they consider the opposition whether members the opposition his in the audience or not?

    I'm not asking what makes the most sense now that I'm ranted a bit but what has been you default motive in expressing your views?
    Awe, but you were sweet for putting in the effort. My advice: don't deal with friend's books - it's toxic to their efforts as a writer and can be toxic to a friendship.

    Instead, send them to me! Oh well I mean - Send them to Scribophile! Writing group and online writing workshop for serious writers | Scribophile. Where aspiring authors and idiots alike get together, share our books, critique - and do all that stuff that friends shouldn't have friends do. #1 nail in the coffin for self-publishing authors: having their friends read their books and then thinking 'I'm so smart, my book is the best!' because the friends are too nice to say "this sucks." Instead, these poor obligated friend can say, "You know what! I have the perfect place for you . . . go to Scribophile."

    Now - you being on debate politics - I wager that most of us are here to learn. It's not your run of the mill site where all manner of vitriol is spewed forth. We're a cut above debate dungeons and a notch below heaven.

    Some are here to vent - but most people around here are not here JUST for that.
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    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
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